How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Thanks guys for your thorough and helpful responses, I very much appreciate your time and efforts here in assisting me troubleshoot my car (I REALLY WANT TO DRIVE IT!!!)
Just a couple notes, I have already thoroughly cleaned the battery - + connectors and shunts and applied some light vaseline to keep them from corroding in future. Also there is no dirt, water, corrosion in the black box where the RCM is housed, all connectors and bays are very clean in my car.
As suggested I am going to check some of the other suggestions you guys made, probably with my mechanic as I am a little hesitate/scared to touch anything when battery is connected or engine idle.
Just a couple notes, I have already thoroughly cleaned the battery - + connectors and shunts and applied some light vaseline to keep them from corroding in future. Also there is no dirt, water, corrosion in the black box where the RCM is housed, all connectors and bays are very clean in my car.
As suggested I am going to check some of the other suggestions you guys made, probably with my mechanic as I am a little hesitate/scared to touch anything when battery is connected or engine idle.
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Need a little guidance with the electrical problems that everyone seems to have with this car. Car is with my son in LA and only comes to visit when its acting up. Engine stumbles and sometimes stall after driving for trips to and from work. Every time but once it started right up. The time it didn't start right up, it took 2 to 3 minuets to kick over. It sometimes dies when the sub amp is blasting and also when the windows are opened or closed. It is now in my garage and I cant get it to stall only stumble and the BAS/ESP light comes on.
I have re-soldered the rcm at lease 6 times in the past year just to make sure its not the problem.
Battery voltage is 12 after sitting for 4 days. Charging volts is 14.4.
MAS was changed out 6 months ago thanks to advice from the CFF.
Changed the cam sensor at the same time
Just checked the battery cables and the negative cable is full of corrosion. Cut it back 4 inches and its all white powder inside. Can this cause all the problems. Has good voltage to fuse box. How can I check amps and how many amps should it produce.
I have re-soldered the rcm at lease 6 times in the past year just to make sure its not the problem.
Battery voltage is 12 after sitting for 4 days. Charging volts is 14.4.
MAS was changed out 6 months ago thanks to advice from the CFF.
Changed the cam sensor at the same time
Just checked the battery cables and the negative cable is full of corrosion. Cut it back 4 inches and its all white powder inside. Can this cause all the problems. Has good voltage to fuse box. How can I check amps and how many amps should it produce.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Alright, so I've been getting the P0410 code frequently for a couple years and have just been cleaning the burnt contact on the RCM over and over. I finally noticed that I can feel air coming out of the pump at the front of the engine. I assume that's probably why the contact is getting burnt repeatedly? And I take it I probably just have to replace the friggin pump?
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Hey all,
I've got a massive problem! My car was working intermittently and was switching off completely unable to start (cliche problem). However I performed to above tutorial and now my car doesn't start at all!!! It sounds as though its trying to kick over but the engine is not starting! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I've got a massive problem! My car was working intermittently and was switching off completely unable to start (cliche problem). However I performed to above tutorial and now my car doesn't start at all!!! It sounds as though its trying to kick over but the engine is not starting! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Hey all,
I've got a massive problem! My car was working intermittently and was switching off completely unable to start (cliche problem). However I performed to above tutorial and now my car doesn't start at all!!! It sounds as though its trying to kick over but the engine is not starting! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I've got a massive problem! My car was working intermittently and was switching off completely unable to start (cliche problem). However I performed to above tutorial and now my car doesn't start at all!!! It sounds as though its trying to kick over but the engine is not starting! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
No I havnt, however I am more worries about the fact that I may have somehow ruined my RCM? The car has been running fine for the past few months, although I have been getting the engine light coming on and a P0410 error, and I can along this thread and decided to see if my RCM soldering had become worn. This proved to be true, so I resoldered the joint and now I have this problem? Is there any way of knowing if I have somehow damaged my RCM?
Your help is really appreciated!!!
Your help is really appreciated!!!
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
When it died did it spin the engine when trying to start? That is the CPS.. Your code could have been from the RCM. If it was and still is spinning with the starter I'd address the CPS and go from there.
I don't know of any DIY method to test your RCM.
I don't know of any DIY method to test your RCM.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Btw, thank you Mrmiata. A few months ago I had that exact problem you described. I left it for a few hours and then it started working again. With the CPS, why does the component fail? I'm just asking this because if cleaning/any maintenance will help I'll do it now. Also, does this make you suspect it was my RCM or the CPS that was my original problem?
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
I'm thinking you might have both.. with the code and bad joints on RCM .. and with it dying.. will crank at starter - starts when cooled off says CPS. Guess they are just one of those things that aren't built rock solid.. Miata has close to 200k on her and OEM CPS. No maintenance or anything is going to prolong it's life cycle. Just go Bosch as your best safety net against failure. I will say my advanced auto version has held up so far... almost a year now.. but it does have a lifetime warranty with it. Bosch is on board as spare for peace of mind and emergency fix.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Just wondering if anyone has "limped" the car home by putting some foil tape or something on the faulty RCM connections. My car is "mystery no starting" in a parking lot 10 miles away from my house and I was hoping to not leave it overnight or have to pay for a tow to put in my driveway until I can get the RCM soldiered (assuming that is the problem).
Anyone have any success with a temp fix on the RCM?
Thanks
Anyone have any success with a temp fix on the RCM?
Thanks
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Hi Guys,
I am having a similar issue although mine is a bit different...
My crossfire 04 coupe will kick over but then stall immediately, so you turn the key, engine starts, revs go up as usual, but then revs fall and engine stalls. (BAS/ESP light comes on)
My mechanic has pulled the following codes:
I am having a similar issue although mine is a bit different...
My crossfire 04 coupe will kick over but then stall immediately, so you turn the key, engine starts, revs go up as usual, but then revs fall and engine stalls. (BAS/ESP light comes on)
- I can sometimes get it to start by revving the engine as I kick the engine over.
- The car will stall on me occasionally while driving (usually in the lower revs when coming to a stop)
- I managed to get the car to stall whilst idling, and turning on ALL electronics, heaters, lights, cd, etc
- If the car wont start and keeps stalling, I usually have to wait a while then it will start.
- Sometimes after getting it started pushing on the accelerator hard and fast will sound like the engine is about to choke and die and the revs do not go up until 2-3 seconds delay. Inversely if i accelerate slow and gradually the revs go up fine and the engine does not sound like its going to choke. This happens whether in gear or neutral.
- The car has had an ongoing issue for 6 months (even before it started to stall/die) where starting the car the revs would go up and then come down almost to the point where the car would stall but then shoot back up and idle as per usual.... this is the root cause I believe where the issue began and over time led to this whole issue of the car stalling while driving or not starting up!
My mechanic has pulled the following codes:
- P0221
- P0100 - could not clear
- P0410 - could not clear
- Camshaft Sensor
- Crankshaft Sensor
- Wiring going to the RCM
- Car Battery
- Air Injection System
- Air Pump
- Check Valve
I've had a similar issue for a while now and I finally got a soldering iron so I could fix the RCM and the connections looked fine. Hooked it back up and car ran fine for 2 days. This morning it was acting up again so I just unplugged it for a second and now it's fine again.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Do you have a good battery with solid connections and good ground connection & alternator giving correct voltage. I had a truck that when the battery was dying (low) it would act really funny like only start and stay running while I had the accellerator pressed down and as soon as I let it up the thing stalled out.
Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
PS - I ordered an extra RCM anyways before I got the car fixed so I have a spare one now.
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Re: How to Repair Relay Control Module (RCM) - (Mystery no Start)
Got the "Check Engine" light yesterday on the SRT. Hooked up my Actron Auto Scanner (p/n CP9575) and got the P0410 code. I had done the RCM fix on the Limited but not on the SRT so out comes the board. Sure enough, broken solder points...
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I have an old WL Lenk BP100 cordless soldering iron that hasn't been used for a couple of years. Gave it about 2 hrs to charge and it did the job. Just kinda blobbed on an oblong ball of solder that covered each set of contacts but made sure not to make connection between each of the other 2 point sets, which also got blobs.
Slid the RCM back in and started her up. No more Check Engine light. Even solved my hesitation when I accelerated from a dead stop. And I didn't need to disconnect the battery.
I did also sprayed down the relays with some Miller-Stephenson Safezone Contact Re-NU (MS-930/C02) just in case any one of them was sticking.
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I have an old WL Lenk BP100 cordless soldering iron that hasn't been used for a couple of years. Gave it about 2 hrs to charge and it did the job. Just kinda blobbed on an oblong ball of solder that covered each set of contacts but made sure not to make connection between each of the other 2 point sets, which also got blobs.
Slid the RCM back in and started her up. No more Check Engine light. Even solved my hesitation when I accelerated from a dead stop. And I didn't need to disconnect the battery.
I did also sprayed down the relays with some Miller-Stephenson Safezone Contact Re-NU (MS-930/C02) just in case any one of them was sticking.