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Old 02-19-2014 | 01:57 PM
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Default Re: Crossfire Engine Knock at Low Idle

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OK, I will get a video soon. I'm using 0W-40 as per spec. I see some people are claiming that dealers are now using 5W40 but I can't find that anywhere locally. The only 5W40 I found is the diesel ones.
Order it online at Walmart and have it free shipped to the store closest to ya for pickup.

Get the Shell Rotella Motor Oil for less at Walmart.com. Save money. Live better.

And do the Seafoam cleaning mentioned on the site....

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post677672
 
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Old 02-19-2014 | 09:33 PM
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Default Re: Crossfire Engine Knock at Low Idle

OK, here is the video of engine running. It seems like the noise is louder on the left side of the engine. When in park and in neutral the engine idles around 700 rpm so less knocking is heard. When in drive or reverse the rpm drops to 500 and thats when most knocking is heard. See video here.


Also I included some picutres of the 2 spark plugs I pulled. They look rusty. But I think that might be due to Chevron Techtron fuel additive that I used. The gap is about .038" - which is good.
 
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Old 02-19-2014 | 09:53 PM
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By the way, did I fail to mention that mine is automatic?

Annoyances update:
1. Window wind noise: inserted a rubber tube inside the weather strip that is between the driver window and the roof/windshield area. Also adjusted the window's angle to lean more towards the weatherstrip using the nuts on the bottom of the door. Seemed to help a little.
2. Headlight fogging up: there is actually a bulletin on this. Silliconed the headlight vents, thought it would be the same as putting caps on them. Still fogging up. Maybe there is a crack somewhere.
If you seal them up before you dry them out inside the water will be trapped in there all the time, either as vapor or water depending on the temperature. If you seal humid air in there it will do the same thing.
 
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Old 02-20-2014 | 10:47 AM
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Default Re: Crossfire Engine Knock at Low Idle

Originally Posted by snpiee
OK, here is the video of engine running. It seems like the noise is louder on the left side of the engine. When in park and in neutral the engine idles around 700 rpm so less knocking is heard. When in drive or reverse the rpm drops to 500 and thats when most knocking is heard. See video here.


Also I included some picutres of the 2 spark plugs I pulled. They look rusty. But I think that might be due to Chevron Techtron fuel additive that I used. The gap is about .038" - which is good.
Those look okay to me. Didn't find the video attached though.
 
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Old 02-20-2014 | 11:06 AM
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Those look okay to me. Didn't find the video attached though.
Click on the word here in red.
Sounds like a bearing of something run by the serpentine belt to me.
Take off the belt and check them.
 

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Old 02-20-2014 | 12:41 PM
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Click on the word here in red.
Aha... Got me on that one! Thanks for pointing it out.

Originally Posted by snpiee
OK, here is the video of engine running. It seems like the noise is louder on the left side of the engine. When in park and in neutral the engine idles around 700 rpm so less knocking is heard. When in drive or reverse the rpm drops to 500 and thats when most knocking is heard. See video here.


Also I included some picutres of the 2 spark plugs I pulled. They look rusty. But I think that might be due to Chevron Techtron fuel additive that I used. The gap is about .038" - which is good.
Okay my friend, I even broke out the good headphones for this one.

I am sorry to give you bad news, but that sounds 100% like a bad rod bearing to me. The resistance from the added friction could also explain your 'quick deceleration' and low engine idle speed.

I really-really would love to be proven wrong, but as far as I can tell, it's certain.


Not sure what your budget would be in this case, but it does make a good argument for swapping a V8 into place! Not sure what a repair would look like, cost-wise.
 
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Old 02-20-2014 | 12:48 PM
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Aha... Got me on that one! Thanks for pointing it out.



Okay my friend, I even broke out the good headphones for this one.

I am sorry to give you bad news, but that sounds 100% like a bad rod bearing to me. The resistance from the added friction could also explain your 'quick deceleration' and low engine idle speed.

I really-really would love to be proven wrong, but as far as I can tell, it's certain.


Not sure what your budget would be in this case, but it does make a good argument for swapping a V8 into place! Not sure what a repair would look like, cost-wise.
Yeh that would suck if its the rod bearing!
 
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Old 02-26-2014 | 10:35 AM
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I have 163k and the same noise. The Mercedes shop I go to said it's normal for these engines to be noisy as they age....but I still don't buy it. I'm going to mention that next time I go in for service to see if that is something they've heard of on this engine.

Were you able to get any confirmation on the suspected cause?
 
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Old 02-26-2014 | 12:49 PM
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OK, maybe I'm just going bananas over this, but lately it seems to me that sometimes the noise is gone or much lower. This week engine light came on. I ran a scan and it showed code for secondary air injection pump. Now, a bit of history, I replaced the pump a few months ago because the motor brushes burned through the casing of the motor and obviously motor was not working anymore so I had the same code and engine light. This time I checked the relay module, and re-soldered relay pins which looked like cold soldered joints and cleaned the relay contacts which were somewhat burned. Cleared the codes, and now for two days no engine light so I think thats all set. Now what I did notice in the last few days is that my "rolling down the hill at idle" seems much easier. The car seems to free-roll at idle better now.
 
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Old 03-05-2014 | 03:57 PM
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... so I got rid of the car
 
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Old 03-05-2014 | 06:01 PM
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... so I got rid of the car
So I guess it's too late to tell you what's wrong with it eh?
 
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Old 03-08-2014 | 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Crossfire Engine Knock at Low Idle

I have an 04 with under 50k and mine sounds like this also. I have been trying to get rid of it and am now starting to get serious about it and wondering what you guys would recommend?

New plugs?
Seafoam?
Something really expensive? (please no! haha)
 
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Old 03-08-2014 | 06:32 PM
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I also have the very low idle of around 500, check engine light is not on.
 

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Old 03-17-2014 | 08:34 AM
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So I guess it's too late to tell you what's wrong with it eh?
Well, if you know the cause and share I'm sure it would help others. By the way, I'm getting an SRT6 Hopefully it wont have same knock issue.
 
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Old 03-17-2014 | 09:42 AM
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Nice! Let us know how that works out for ya.
 
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Old 04-29-2018 | 05:47 PM
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Anyone figure this out? Updates would be helpful to others, even from a few years ago. Thanks
 
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Old 04-29-2018 | 05:57 PM
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Anyone figure this out? Updates would be helpful to others, even from a few years ago. Thanks
The OP got rid of the car before the problem was solved, that is what I understood from his reply.
So, no resolution was made.
 
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Old 06-10-2018 | 12:38 AM
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In case you didn't know, Marvel Mystery oil is transmission fluid mixed with paint thinner.

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Old 02-26-2019 | 08:12 PM
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Default Re: Crossfire Engine Knock at Low Idle

Hey all.

The video shows the exact sound my car is making. An odd knock or clunk only when in drive or reverse, not in neutral. Anyone ever solve or get closer to a diagnosis? Rod Bearing? Let me know!

Thanks!
 
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