V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
Some of you may have seen that Gerhard posted many detailed pictures in a new thread. they were very helpful in confirming I was on the right track mechanically. One picture cuaght my eye. Can anyone take a guess at what the little white box is in the lower right side of the electronics box?
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by rcompart
Looking at the colors of the wires and the tracers on them, i'd guess it's something connected to the PCM for the transmission or something otherwise related but I could be wrong. Hope this helps.
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
I called Startech in Germany this morning just for grins to see if they would offer any info on their V8 Crossfire. They answer the phone "Brabus". The man I spoke to said only one V8 Crossfire was ever built and they will not build anymore. He said the guy who built the car no longer works for Brabus and if he did have any information about how it was done, they would not share that information. This was the answer I thought I would get but thought I should at least ask any way. I was suprised to hear that there was only one ever built. I thought mine was going to be one of three V8 Crossfires but I guess I am now building only the second one. I guess Crossfire owners weren't willing to spend money like Mercedes owners will, which is why they were never able to sell a second one. Knowing that there was a V8 Crossfire in existense has always given me hope that this could be done. I just hope Kanzus is successful in getting his to run. If he gets it running, Kanzus will be a hero in the Crossfire community!
Startech is a subsidiary company of Brabus. Brabus ist specialized in the optimization of Mercedes-Benz, Maybach, Mercedes-Benz Mc Laren and Smart products, whereas Startech is specialized in Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge products. Both are located in the same company area in Bottrop/Germany.
Regards from germany
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
It seems that a company in germany called Kraftwerk has put a Crossfire AMG 55 conversion into practice.
Kraftwerk ? German engineered performance technology for al Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles.
Chrysler - Dodge - Jeep - Auto - Forum | Chrysler Crossfire - Forum | Tuning V8 Umbau - Technik/ Bilder
Regards from germany
Kraftwerk ? German engineered performance technology for al Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles.
Chrysler - Dodge - Jeep - Auto - Forum | Chrysler Crossfire - Forum | Tuning V8 Umbau - Technik/ Bilder
Regards from germany
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Hello Tuners,
Here is my last updates:
I didn't receive Alternator (180A) yet, bu I made great progress in installing AMG V8 Kompressor Belt.
When I received tensionners and pulleys and try to fit theim, I noticed that water pump is quite different from the V8 55 with Komp one, because 55K pump holds Two parallel pulleys at the left side of front engine Part N° (113 200 01 01), hopefully I find it at the stock MB dealer.
I had to modify that pump in order to make possible water cooling system for oil filter cooler (I'll post you pics later).
I also modify mounting part which holds little pulley at right side (alternator Belt tensionner).
Another modification consists on water Thermostat, whitch is to be mounted in the opposite direction and grinding a piece of the water pump.
after that modifications, I mounted the new water pump, Kompressor pulleys and tensionners and finally INSTALLED KOMPRESSOR BELT .
I need the Alternator to install the other Belt: in V8 55k engine there is two parallel belts the first close to the engine is for: alternator, water pump, steering pump, A/C compressor and of course Crank pulley.
The other belt is for supercharger.
The german company GERMAN SPOB GMBH IHR ERSATZTEILHÄNDLER FÜR MERCEDES-BENZ GEBRAUCHTTEILE, ZUBEHÖRTEILE UND ORIGINALTEILE --- STAR PARTS --- from where I ordered the alternator said that i'll get it on monday it's 300€ cheeper then MB dealer and it's new brand .
I prefer mounting the engine in its housing when all actions terminated even if there is only two screws to install Alternator.
Another good new today that the RIEGER Body Kit I ordered is during delivery right now, I'll receive it today .
Sorry I could not post you pics right now because I'm at office now and I worked up to 4h30 o'clock in the morning, I had 2.5 hours sleeping, Idid not have time enough to prepare photos.
Keep you posted.
Karim.
Here is my last updates:
I didn't receive Alternator (180A) yet, bu I made great progress in installing AMG V8 Kompressor Belt.
When I received tensionners and pulleys and try to fit theim, I noticed that water pump is quite different from the V8 55 with Komp one, because 55K pump holds Two parallel pulleys at the left side of front engine Part N° (113 200 01 01), hopefully I find it at the stock MB dealer.
I had to modify that pump in order to make possible water cooling system for oil filter cooler (I'll post you pics later).
I also modify mounting part which holds little pulley at right side (alternator Belt tensionner).
Another modification consists on water Thermostat, whitch is to be mounted in the opposite direction and grinding a piece of the water pump.
after that modifications, I mounted the new water pump, Kompressor pulleys and tensionners and finally INSTALLED KOMPRESSOR BELT .
I need the Alternator to install the other Belt: in V8 55k engine there is two parallel belts the first close to the engine is for: alternator, water pump, steering pump, A/C compressor and of course Crank pulley.
The other belt is for supercharger.
The german company GERMAN SPOB GMBH IHR ERSATZTEILHÄNDLER FÜR MERCEDES-BENZ GEBRAUCHTTEILE, ZUBEHÖRTEILE UND ORIGINALTEILE --- STAR PARTS --- from where I ordered the alternator said that i'll get it on monday it's 300€ cheeper then MB dealer and it's new brand .
I prefer mounting the engine in its housing when all actions terminated even if there is only two screws to install Alternator.
Another good new today that the RIEGER Body Kit I ordered is during delivery right now, I'll receive it today .
Sorry I could not post you pics right now because I'm at office now and I worked up to 4h30 o'clock in the morning, I had 2.5 hours sleeping, Idid not have time enough to prepare photos.
Keep you posted.
Karim.
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by kanzus
When swapping 44pin flash, Crossfire ECU will manage V8 engine and not V6, because informations and drivers are inside flash (29F400BB). From the other side, LantanaTX will plug V8 Harness into new reflashed CrossFire ECU, and this wiring harness will transport information from Flash to injectors.
Karim.
Karim.
The V8 ecu has 4 (1 for 2 cylinders), the crossfire only 3.
Will not work!
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Karim,
Thanks for the update. I received a bunch of photos from a guy named Gerhard in Germany. He has the only V8 Crossfire in the world built by Startech/Brabus. He sent me a buch of photos of the various electonic componets with the part numbers visibile. I haven't verified the part numbers of the body control unit or the transmission control unit but the ECU is for a V8. One this that was interesting is there is a buch of other electonics in the glove compartment which I am not what they do. There is so much wiring it looks like a whole other engine ECU. I wonder if it is possible they used two ECU's?
Thanks for the update. I received a bunch of photos from a guy named Gerhard in Germany. He has the only V8 Crossfire in the world built by Startech/Brabus. He sent me a buch of photos of the various electonic componets with the part numbers visibile. I haven't verified the part numbers of the body control unit or the transmission control unit but the ECU is for a V8. One this that was interesting is there is a buch of other electonics in the glove compartment which I am not what they do. There is so much wiring it looks like a whole other engine ECU. I wonder if it is possible they used two ECU's?
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
the little electroic box in with the ECU that I mentioned ealier and tried to identify is used to eliminate the speed limiter. Here are more pictures from the fromt the V8 Crossfire. Let's see how good you guys are at identifying these parts One is the trasmission controller, one is the body control unit, the EDU plus one is who knows what?
Update:
Done some checking and the the body control modle is Crossfire. The ECU cross references to ML500, CLK430, E430, S430-S500 and CL500. The transmission controller corss references to CLK430, CL500 and S430 and S500
The last picture is all of the electronics we all have under the upper section of the passenger side footwell carpet all OEM stuff looks like air bag and safety related electronics.
Update:
Done some checking and the the body control modle is Crossfire. The ECU cross references to ML500, CLK430, E430, S430-S500 and CL500. The transmission controller corss references to CLK430, CL500 and S430 and S500
The last picture is all of the electronics we all have under the upper section of the passenger side footwell carpet all OEM stuff looks like air bag and safety related electronics.
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
Karim,
Thanks for the update. I received a bunch of photos from a guy named Gerhard in Germany. He has the only V8 Crossfire in the world built by Startech/Brabus. He sent me a buch of photos of the various electonic componets with the part numbers visibile. I haven't verified the part numbers of the body control unit or the transmission control unit but the ECU is for a V8. One this that was interesting is there is a buch of other electonics in the glove compartment which I am not what they do. There is so much wiring it looks like a whole other engine ECU. I wonder if it is possible they used two ECU's?
Thanks for the update. I received a bunch of photos from a guy named Gerhard in Germany. He has the only V8 Crossfire in the world built by Startech/Brabus. He sent me a buch of photos of the various electonic componets with the part numbers visibile. I haven't verified the part numbers of the body control unit or the transmission control unit but the ECU is for a V8. One this that was interesting is there is a buch of other electonics in the glove compartment which I am not what they do. There is so much wiring it looks like a whole other engine ECU. I wonder if it is possible they used two ECU's?
He was proven wrong on german forum. But he is so jealous about that
that he keeps telling its not true.
Dont believe this guy too much what he tells. He is not such an expert as he pretends to be
BTW what do the ECU numbers help - you still dont know the software inside. Its only the hardware - which says 8 cyl. So NOT the x-fire hardware.
Why dont you ask the guys that converted 1 already (Eugen) instead of Gerhard...
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by nitro
So Gerhards still tells he has the only V8?
He was proven wrong on german forum. But he is so jealous about that
that he keeps telling its not true.
Dont believe this guy too much what he tells. He is not such an expert as he pretends to be
BTW what do the ECU numbers help - you still dont know the software inside. Its only the hardware - which says 8 cyl. So NOT the x-fire hardware.
Why dont you ask the guys that converted 1 already (Eugen) instead of Gerhard...
He was proven wrong on german forum. But he is so jealous about that
that he keeps telling its not true.
Dont believe this guy too much what he tells. He is not such an expert as he pretends to be
BTW what do the ECU numbers help - you still dont know the software inside. Its only the hardware - which says 8 cyl. So NOT the x-fire hardware.
Why dont you ask the guys that converted 1 already (Eugen) instead of Gerhard...
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No problem, you can´t know how childish and jealous he behaves (or better behaved? After he was proved wrong, he disappeared) on german forum...
He still insidted that the "other" V8 did not exist, was a fake, although
other forum useres have been with that car.
When there were no more excuses, he finally ended saying that the car is ****, low quality and will break down.
Only his car is the best.
He bought a ready car. Eugen (the other guy) built the car.
So if Gerhard now wants to tell about how to build the "first" V8 except his, i (and many others) cant take this guy serious anymore because he should know better...
Like a little child that you took away his toy.
Anyway, good luck to you guys with the project, you do a good job and sure will get it working. But dont rely too much on self proclaimed experts that only know how to do it in theory, not in reality... Thats 2 different worlds
He still insidted that the "other" V8 did not exist, was a fake, although
other forum useres have been with that car.
When there were no more excuses, he finally ended saying that the car is ****, low quality and will break down.
Only his car is the best.
He bought a ready car. Eugen (the other guy) built the car.
So if Gerhard now wants to tell about how to build the "first" V8 except his, i (and many others) cant take this guy serious anymore because he should know better...
Like a little child that you took away his toy.
Anyway, good luck to you guys with the project, you do a good job and sure will get it working. But dont rely too much on self proclaimed experts that only know how to do it in theory, not in reality... Thats 2 different worlds
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Hi,
the Crossfire 55 AMG V8 isn´t any joke and I am not an liar like Gerhard Daun calls me in the German Crossfire forum. He **** of about a guy they are smart enough to set up V8 technologie in an Crossfire they he never done before. He don´t understand that isn´t my target to sign in all construction sheets and paperwork in internet.
The car is real, is very fast, all parts are confirm with german goverment rules.
Max.
the Crossfire 55 AMG V8 isn´t any joke and I am not an liar like Gerhard Daun calls me in the German Crossfire forum. He **** of about a guy they are smart enough to set up V8 technologie in an Crossfire they he never done before. He don´t understand that isn´t my target to sign in all construction sheets and paperwork in internet.
The car is real, is very fast, all parts are confirm with german goverment rules.
Max.
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by nitro
But dont rely too much on self proclaimed experts that only know how to do it in theory, not in reality... Thats 2 different worlds
The other leading theory and the one that is closest to being proven is Kanzus. Kanzus has been great at sharing his experience and I hope he is successful as his approach is much easier than what I was planning.
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by Skyshadow
Holy crap Lantana, Looks like there are Germans coming out of the wood work everywhere. Please explain to them that Gerhard didn't say he knew how to built it or anything, Just giving you pics of his to help your build.
Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
Through tons of research I was able to hook up with Beckman Technologies who is one of the only guys who has been able to hack the Mercedes computers and unlock used ECM's.
He also is able to use the SDS developer mode which is in German language only.
The other leading theory and the one that is closest to being proven is Kanzus. Kanzus has been great at sharing his experience and I hope he is successful as his approach is much easier than what I was planning.
He also is able to use the SDS developer mode which is in German language only.
The other leading theory and the one that is closest to being proven is Kanzus. Kanzus has been great at sharing his experience and I hope he is successful as his approach is much easier than what I was planning.
As the mechanic level will be terminated soon: normally at monday 18-05-09, I will start level 2 of my CLK V6 to V8 55K project conversion which is electronics.
I have many idears and 3 possibilities to approach the problem:
1- simply use DAS Developper mode to encode the ECM and EGS ECUs;
2- swap EEPROMs from ECM to another;
3- make ECM virgin and recode it within normal DAS Module;
I tried DAS training module to see how developper mode works, and it's very interesting, espacially it is possible to recode ECU without SCN number which is only can be provided by MB itself.
My Goal is to start the car first, I hope it will start from the first possibility (DAS Dev). At a second time I will test the others and provide community a how to do manual : HOW TO HACK MERCEDES-BENZ ELECTRONICS .
I found an interesting software to virgin the ECM, but have to desolder EPROM reprogram then re-solder it.
How do you think about my approach?
Karim.
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Originally Posted by kanzus
Thank you LantanaTX, I hope success too .
As the mechanic level will be terminated soon: normally at monday 18-05-09, I will start level 2 of my CLK V6 to V8 55K project conversion which is electronics.
I have many idears and 3 possibilities to approach the problem:
1- simply use DAS Developper mode to encode the ECM and EGS ECUs;
2- swap EEPROMs from ECM to another;
3- make ECM virgin and recode it within normal DAS Module;
I tried DAS training module to see how developper mode works, and it's very interesting, espacially it is possible to recode ECU without SCN number which is only can be provided by MB itself.
My Goal is to start the car first, I hope it will start from the first possibility (DAS Dev). At a second time I will test the others and provide community a how to do manual : HOW TO HACK MERCEDES-BENZ ELECTRONICS .
I found an interesting software to virgin the ECM, but have to desolder EPROM reprogram then re-solder it.
How do you think about my approach?
Karim.
As the mechanic level will be terminated soon: normally at monday 18-05-09, I will start level 2 of my CLK V6 to V8 55K project conversion which is electronics.
I have many idears and 3 possibilities to approach the problem:
1- simply use DAS Developper mode to encode the ECM and EGS ECUs;
2- swap EEPROMs from ECM to another;
3- make ECM virgin and recode it within normal DAS Module;
I tried DAS training module to see how developper mode works, and it's very interesting, espacially it is possible to recode ECU without SCN number which is only can be provided by MB itself.
My Goal is to start the car first, I hope it will start from the first possibility (DAS Dev). At a second time I will test the others and provide community a how to do manual : HOW TO HACK MERCEDES-BENZ ELECTRONICS .
I found an interesting software to virgin the ECM, but have to desolder EPROM reprogram then re-solder it.
How do you think about my approach?
Karim.
One thing that all the pictures confirmed to me is that it is all done with standard MB electronic hardware which has been programmed, which leads me to believe the better you can use the Star system the more likely you are to succeed. You may want to consider sending your donor ECM to Beckman and have them unlock it. Their business is built on allowing mechanics to offer reconditioned ECM's to customers at a much better price than having to buy a brand new one costing thousands.
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Re: V8 Crossfire Conversion Diary
Here is a little something to keep us motivated. Since the SLK is the Crossfire's closest cousin I thought this McLaren SLR / SLK swap looked interesting. Here is the text that I found with the pictures:
"Stare as long as you like, it's not a Photoshop job. That is the 617-hp McLaren SLR motor shoehorned into the bay and sticking through the hood of a Mercedes SLK. If the forum posts are true, the owner appears to be a Mid-Eastern rally champion named Mohamed Bin Sulayem. The story goes that Sulayem performed this transplant because his other supercars weren't suitable in the traffic-clogged streets of Dubai. He liked the comfort and ride of the SLK, but felt it was a little weak on power. Needless to say, he's alleviated the SLK's shortcomings and then some."
"Stare as long as you like, it's not a Photoshop job. That is the 617-hp McLaren SLR motor shoehorned into the bay and sticking through the hood of a Mercedes SLK. If the forum posts are true, the owner appears to be a Mid-Eastern rally champion named Mohamed Bin Sulayem. The story goes that Sulayem performed this transplant because his other supercars weren't suitable in the traffic-clogged streets of Dubai. He liked the comfort and ride of the SLK, but felt it was a little weak on power. Needless to say, he's alleviated the SLK's shortcomings and then some."