If you all believe we could have not been more prepared after all that has been studied you're letting people tell you that we can go to Mars but can't make are planes safe from terrorist!And you're defending this stupidity!!GET REAL

 

The FBI and CIA are not SUPPOSE to take a day off!!That is there job!24/7 DAH!!!!

 

Dan... You couldn't be more wrong in all of your posts here, in this thread, if you think any inadequacies in our intelligence gathering abilities were the fault of Preident Bush. Your buddy Clinton had 8 years to fix anything that was broken and all he did was play footsies with a teeny-bopper and make sure that Bush inherited a real mess. As Dave stated... Bush had only been in office 8 months when 9-11 happened. If you think that's enough time for anyone to fix everything that Clinton screwed up over 8 years, your nuttier than I thenk you are..... And I might add that I think your a real fruitcake most of the time. Your posts rarely make any sense!

 

I do not like clinton i think he was the worst president this Country ever had!He's proven that himself!He's was bought and paid for!A-hole

 

I think my last three posts can be understood by most fruitcakes!

 

I think we should take up a collection and send Dan to a Introduction to English Composition class. At least after that we may not agree with him , but at least he'd be able to type some sentances in an intelligible manner.

 

Instead of shooting the messenger and going about your merry way you should listen to how brain washed you all are!

I suppose you all believe JFK was shot by one person Hah!!

Like I said, things are not always the way you see them!!

It's the way they tell you to see them!!

 

You know Dan, the government is made up of people, folks like us, as a group they are utterly incapable and incompetent to make us all think what they want. That's aside from the fact that they have no clue what they want us to think anyway.

They can try to spin a story to make it seem better or worse, but they can only try.

The media are the only folks who really have some control over what we read and see. Guess what? Their motivation is all about $$$$$$$$$$$. Ratings are everything, ratings mean money in their pockets, very BIG money.

They're also incapable of making us think a certain way, but they can make many of us FEEL something. Fear, panic, outrage, and sexual excitement all focus our attention, it drives our lives and effects what we watch and read and buy. A good life of peace, prosperity, health, and happiness would be very bad for the media business.

The media does not have to make anything up to accomplish their goals. A tragic traffic accident can be inflamed into an outrageous incident. Just film someone crying and sobing over lost loved ones. Interview all the family members who survive and watch them scream in grief.

Where was the stop light?
Where were the cops?
Who was drinking?
Where did the alcohol come from? Who sold it? Why?
Think of the children, dear GOD won't anybody think of the children?

I do wish the media would tell us a bit more about WHAT happens instead of what a few of the folks involved are *feeling* about it.

I read rather a lot, but no one has been able to tell me what to think yet.
-Not the government.
-Not the media and press.
-And not even you Dan.

 

ahhhhhhhhhhh....brain malfunctioning...............too many incoherent posts......................overload............... ....do do do (shuts down)

 

For Seafire,Nicely written ,but isn't what you said the same point I've been trying to make ?The facts are out there and were there way before 911.Your statement tells exactly how the majority of this county buries their heads in their own lives 1st and they don't try to understand the whole world picture.Infact they prefer to be told it was just a little slip of our intelligent agency.I don't buy that crap.The Goverment thrives on our own Fear! And that is proven itself to me at least over the last 30 years+.

90% of what's happening in the world today had been planned for years !

I for one do not believe the world is controlled by accident!And i hope to GOD not by people like CLINTON,but, it looks like it is.

 

David,
In the thumbnails in your original post, you forgot Michael Moore.

 

I think it was all James the alien that did it......

Seriously:

There are now, and have always been, crazy people.

Tring to justify the murder of any innocent people, when you truly believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong, is easy.

Trying to negotiate with crazy people is useless. They are CRAZY, remember?

So what do we do? Round up all the crazy people and wipe them out? That would make us crazy!

There are no simple answers to any of this. And until people want to sit down and act like rational human beings that truly want to solve some problems, there will be no answers. Unfortunately, we have not yet arrived at that time. Everyone has an "agenda". Fanatical religious beliefs of any type (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.) does not promote rational behavior.

We can live apart in fear, we can learn to live together in peace, or we can end up wiping each other out. Those are our choices as I see them.

Once we figure this out, we can solve the real problems that face this planet - over population, famine, polution, disease, etc., etc., etc.

Quite honestly, I don't give the world much hope....

Bummer.

 

Dan,

I agree with your premise that we should all seek out reliable information to form our opinions and to become more informed.

I reject your premise, however, that that is accomplished by 'reading the papers.'

99% of the major newspapers in our country, and their Editorial staffs, are firmly and completely in the pocket of the far left, and a semi careful look at everything from what stories are on page one, which are buried, which go above the fold, which get spiked, and especially the suggestive headlines and the 'points' made in the first three paragraphs, which is typically what people read, are almost always slanted to support the liberal view and to diss the conservative view.

No, newspapers are NOT a good source of truthful information about this war.

 

Actually that was just my fast *** responce about papers.

Maybe it's just me but ,when Robert Kennedy was running for the Democrat Nominee , I said just weeks before it happened,That he would probably win the election!Unless he was killed !A few days later he was!

The point is forsight!! We pay for security and 911 proved that we can go to Mars but not have lock on the pilots door!!!FORSIGHT

 

wow. That's all I can say in response to that. wow.

 

Dan...

Pick your euphemism...bad things happen to good people...wrong place at the wrong time...

You are suffering from 20/20 hind sight...and you're letting it get to you.

You are trying to find BLAME, and in this case, there really is none to find.

There were mistakes, and they need to be looked at and corrected, but no BLAME.

I hate Clinton, but was this his fault? In the sense that he wanted it to happen? No. Was it Bush's fault, in the sense he wanted it to happen? No, of course not.

Bush, Clinton, Gore, Cheney, Clark, on and on. Politics aside, I don't believe ANY of these HUMANS wanted this to happen. I believe that in the context of their time, with the info they had, with the responsibility they had, they thought they did the right thing.

We could build fortresses around every building and every city...we could turn every 'foreigner' back at our borders, and we would still be vulnerable to attack.

What, exactly, do you think is the solution? Pointing fingers and getting mad is easy...finding solutions is the hard part.

 

Actually I don't blame, I really accuse our own GOV.for allowing this to happen!!!And if you think it was because it wasn't preventable then I guess you believe what they say!!Of course why shoudn't we believe our GOV.it doesn't lie to US do they?

 

So in your opinion, a few locks on the cockpit doors would have stopped the attack?

OK, then there would have been a different attack!

Anyone willing to kill themselves and everyone around them will find a way.....

Do I believe that there are aspects of this horrible incident that we all do not know? Yes. Do I also believe that there is some information that should not be released? Yes. That is why we have a government in the first place. It is our job to elect people that we believe will best make the necessary decisions that have to be made for the whole country. Then we have to let them do that job for us.

Your creepy paranoia about big brother doublespeak government is wearing a bit thin.

If you think things are that terrible, then either run for office to change it, or go to work for a candidate that you think can do it for you.

That is how it works in this country. If that is not right for you, then consider finding somewhere else that is better. I think you will find the alternatives to be much more horrible than your current situation.

There have been some clear and reasonable responses to your rants. Give them some thought.

 

Oh, I see ,someone might actually (see )there is no way to stop them so why not let them in and train them.And then don't put any locks on the pilots doors just to see if they might really do it hah!The real truth hurts I know.You go right ahead and believe what they let you know, it's more popular isn't it to believe what they want you to BELIEVE IN.I'll believe in possible options thanks anyway.

 

OK, so what would have been your solution to this problem?

No rants - an actual answer please....