3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
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Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Originally Posted by grip grip
Yellow fogs are used by some for style and other's under a false premise that they increase visibility. I had them laying around and did it more for style. Mine do increase visibility, but it is most likely a result of the HID's being brighter than the halogens.
Here's an interesting read on the subject:
"Why Are Fog Lights Yellow?
By David Baugher, eHow Contributor
Despite common assumptions, the yellow color of fog lights does not improve visibility in fog.
Misconceptions
The belief that yellow fog lamps contribute to superior lighting in foggy conditions is based on a misinterpretation of physical laws about the behavior of light which hold that colors at the shorter wavelength end of the spectrum disperse more easily in interactions with small particles. Longer wavelength colors like yellow were thought to be less subject to this effect.
Reality
In fact, the large size of fog droplets negates any significant difference in scattering effects among colors.
Filtering
"Yellow" fog lights are actually just filtered white lights. Since the filtering naturally reduces the emission of light, it does not boost its power to cut through mist.
Origins
The use of yellow as a color for fog lights may have started because of a genuine misunderstanding about its ability to illuminate foggy roads. After that it may have simply become traditionally accepted. An alternate theory holds that yellow is associated with danger and indicates hazardous conditions.
Conclusion
Car experts Tom and Ray Magliozzi recommend white fog lights as an alternative to yellow.
Read more: Why Are Fog Lights Yellow? | eHow.com <A href="http://www.ehow.com/facts_5899906_fog-lights-yellow_.html#ixzz1TyWur0Xn"[/quote">http://www.ehow.com/facts_5899906_fog-lights-yellow_.html#ixzz1TyWur0Xn"
Here's an interesting read on the subject:
"Why Are Fog Lights Yellow?
By David Baugher, eHow Contributor
Despite common assumptions, the yellow color of fog lights does not improve visibility in fog.
Misconceptions
The belief that yellow fog lamps contribute to superior lighting in foggy conditions is based on a misinterpretation of physical laws about the behavior of light which hold that colors at the shorter wavelength end of the spectrum disperse more easily in interactions with small particles. Longer wavelength colors like yellow were thought to be less subject to this effect.
Reality
In fact, the large size of fog droplets negates any significant difference in scattering effects among colors.
Filtering
"Yellow" fog lights are actually just filtered white lights. Since the filtering naturally reduces the emission of light, it does not boost its power to cut through mist.
Origins
The use of yellow as a color for fog lights may have started because of a genuine misunderstanding about its ability to illuminate foggy roads. After that it may have simply become traditionally accepted. An alternate theory holds that yellow is associated with danger and indicates hazardous conditions.
Conclusion
Car experts Tom and Ray Magliozzi recommend white fog lights as an alternative to yellow.
Read more: Why Are Fog Lights Yellow? | eHow.com <A href="http://www.ehow.com/facts_5899906_fog-lights-yellow_.html#ixzz1TyWur0Xn"[/quote">http://www.ehow.com/facts_5899906_fog-lights-yellow_.html#ixzz1TyWur0Xn"
I personally see better with them. It's the same concept behind folks at the shooting range with yellow safety glasses, versus the guys that must look cool at all costs, and shoot with Oakleys. Visibility is a relative thing apparently. I recall every "white" foglight I've owned was a PITA when I truly needed them. Hence my urge to try the yellow.
Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Originally Posted by JHM2K
Well then, ignore everything I said
I personally see better with them. It's the same concept behind folks at the shooting range with yellow safety glasses, versus the guys that must look cool at all costs, and shoot with Oakleys. Visibility is a relative thing apparently. I recall every "white" foglight I've owned was a PITA when I truly needed them. Hence my urge to try the yellow.
I personally see better with them. It's the same concept behind folks at the shooting range with yellow safety glasses, versus the guys that must look cool at all costs, and shoot with Oakleys. Visibility is a relative thing apparently. I recall every "white" foglight I've owned was a PITA when I truly needed them. Hence my urge to try the yellow.
Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Grip,
In basic this is correct. However, HIDs work different than normal filtered lights, since I am pretty sure they are Black-Body Radiators. Which is one hell of a scary and complicated subject... But 3000k is still less visible than 6500k, but for different reasons, including light efficiency on a constant system, aka our cars.
I will say however, that in a strictly foggy condition the lower overall EMITTANCE of light is a plus in the reflection of light on water molecules, which can then reflect into the drivers eyes causing reduced visibility. Try driving through the fog with your lows beams on, and then try it with your high beams. In this regard, typical yellow filtered fog lights could be a plus by reducing this the level of emitted light thereby preventing reflection into someones eyes. To find out, one would have to experimentally determine the tradeoffs between bright light and more reflection in fog versus the tradeoffs of less visible light and less reflection in fog. So don't fret, your yellow lights may not be a total myth afterall.
JHM2K,
Not trying to be meannnnnn... Buttt...Regardless of your opinion, yellow filtering is NOT a good way to improve visbility in every day situations. The human eye absorbs best around 550nm, not 600nm. When you use a filter, you basically filter all light except the color of the filter, which will lower visbility. The more the filter deviates from the max absorption of light for the human eye, the less visibility you will have... which is why you can look through a light yellow filter and see ok, but look through a dark red filter and not see too well. In all cases, visibility is reduced as you approach the ends of the visible light spectrum (dark purple and dark red).
In basic this is correct. However, HIDs work different than normal filtered lights, since I am pretty sure they are Black-Body Radiators. Which is one hell of a scary and complicated subject... But 3000k is still less visible than 6500k, but for different reasons, including light efficiency on a constant system, aka our cars.
I will say however, that in a strictly foggy condition the lower overall EMITTANCE of light is a plus in the reflection of light on water molecules, which can then reflect into the drivers eyes causing reduced visibility. Try driving through the fog with your lows beams on, and then try it with your high beams. In this regard, typical yellow filtered fog lights could be a plus by reducing this the level of emitted light thereby preventing reflection into someones eyes. To find out, one would have to experimentally determine the tradeoffs between bright light and more reflection in fog versus the tradeoffs of less visible light and less reflection in fog. So don't fret, your yellow lights may not be a total myth afterall.
JHM2K,
Not trying to be meannnnnn... Buttt...Regardless of your opinion, yellow filtering is NOT a good way to improve visbility in every day situations. The human eye absorbs best around 550nm, not 600nm. When you use a filter, you basically filter all light except the color of the filter, which will lower visbility. The more the filter deviates from the max absorption of light for the human eye, the less visibility you will have... which is why you can look through a light yellow filter and see ok, but look through a dark red filter and not see too well. In all cases, visibility is reduced as you approach the ends of the visible light spectrum (dark purple and dark red).
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Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Originally Posted by Kolme
I will say however, that in a strictly foggy condition the lower overall EMITTANCE of light is a plus in the reflection of light on water molecules, which can then reflect into the drivers eyes causing reduced visibility.
Perhaps this is why I can see better with them... More light is not necessarily the best light if more light results in a blinding light instead of a dimmer light that still illuminates the road.
Regarding the filter comments, that makes perfect sense. Having said that, with these lights, isn't it the intensity of the Kelvin rating, not a filter, that gives the light its hue? 8000K HID kits are almost purple, but not because there's a purple filter. 6000K is a bright bluish-white, 5000K being a true white. It was my understanding that the lower the Kelvins, the yellower the light. The higher, the more blue/violet.
But I may be completely confused. Not at all unlikely.
Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Originally Posted by JHM2K
This is what I was trying to say earlier...
Perhaps this is why I can see better with them... More light is not necessarily the best light if more light results in a blinding light instead of a dimmer light that still illuminates the road.
Regarding the filter comments, that makes perfect sense. Having said that, with these lights, isn't it the intensity of the Kelvin rating, not a filter, that gives the light its hue? 8000K HID kits are almost purple, but not because there's a purple filter. 6000K is a bright bluish-white, 5000K being a true white. It was my understanding that the lower the Kelvins, the yellower the light. The higher, the more blue/violet.
But I may be completely confused. Not at all unlikely.
Perhaps this is why I can see better with them... More light is not necessarily the best light if more light results in a blinding light instead of a dimmer light that still illuminates the road.
Regarding the filter comments, that makes perfect sense. Having said that, with these lights, isn't it the intensity of the Kelvin rating, not a filter, that gives the light its hue? 8000K HID kits are almost purple, but not because there's a purple filter. 6000K is a bright bluish-white, 5000K being a true white. It was my understanding that the lower the Kelvins, the yellower the light. The higher, the more blue/violet.
But I may be completely confused. Not at all unlikely.
The filter comments were regarding filters in general , not HIDs. I was just explaining how the absorption of visible light doesnt really vary from person to person, and that the guys with the yellow glasses are receiving less light than the guy with clear glasses. Which may be why they wear them in all truth! (UV/IR can be filtered out using clear glasses since they are not visible spectrums)...
But you are right. HIDS are classified based on their Kelvin rating. I dont know why, but previously was thinking that they are Black-body radiators, they are not. But I'll save you and me both the confusion and just talk about the functions of HIDs.
Now stick with me, because this part gets a bit sketchy.. According to my knowledge and understanding (yikes!)... HIDs are filled with varying types of gasses (usually noble gasses). When you send an electrical impulse through these gasses, you heat and excite the electrons within in them, causing them to colide with other gas and metal atoms. When this occurs, electrons from a lower energy state rise to a high energy state. They then fall back to a lower energy state again but release a photon. The wavelength is dependent on atomic structure... This is why you see different colors with different lamps...
This indeed does relate to the temperature of the lamp (aka 6500k or w/e) in relation to the previously mentioned Black Body Radiators. Black body radiators emit light according to the temperature at which they occur (a match would be 1700k). Therefore, black body radiators basically have their own spectrum based on temperature. Many lights, such as HIDs, are Color Correlated to these temperature. Meaning that the wavelengths are the same, and so they are labeled as such and such temp (10000k is blue for black body radiators, so HIDs that produce blue are correlated to 10000k).
I dont believe they are considered black body radiators because they use gas atomic structure, and therefore do not classify.
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Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
And the reason shooters use yellow shooting glasses is the CONTRAST you get with black sights/cross hairs and targets... the better you can see the sights the better you can aim....
There is also the safety factor of shooting glasses to protect your eyeballs from foreign objects that might be bouncing around......
There is also the safety factor of shooting glasses to protect your eyeballs from foreign objects that might be bouncing around......
Re: 3,000K yellow fogs installed tonight.
Originally Posted by MikeR
And the reason shooters use yellow shooting glasses is the CONTRAST you get with black sights/cross hairs and targets... the better you can see the sights the better you can aim....
There is also the safety factor of shooting glasses to protect your eyeballs from foreign objects that might be bouncing around......
There is also the safety factor of shooting glasses to protect your eyeballs from foreign objects that might be bouncing around......
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