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Old 07-30-2012 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
That comment wasnt directed at you. it was in response to the op asking which had better gains and dragtimes shows the single wins.
as for the races to set the record straight my car shut down during the race at max rpm due to a bad tcu mod. in a second race i short shifted and evened the score. apples to apples

That's cool, so which one would you (an avid drag racer) recommend?
 
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Old 07-30-2012 | 10:34 PM
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keep in mind, I will never give my times to dragtimes... more fun to just make the runs...everyone has a good day....but not everyday...
 
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Old 07-30-2012 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by maxcichon
I put this together for some other folks here:

This is for mine, see my signature. Your choice.


Dual CAI Parts List

• 2) Spectre #9833 3" I/O Air Box (Summit # SPE-9833) Summit Racing
• 2) Max-Redline 3" 90 Degree Elbows, Aluminum (M-R # PIP300-90) Max-Redline.com
• 1) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3 1/2" Reducer Elbow (Intake Hoses # 90L35R30)
• 2) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3" coupler (Intake Hoses # C40B-300X3)
• 1) Intakehoses.com Hose Clamp for 3 1/2" ID Hose (Intake Hoses # 64060)
• 7) Intakehoses.com Hose Clamp for 3" ID Hose (Intake Hoses # 64048)
• 1) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3” Tee (Intake Hose # 90T333) Intake Hoses, IntakeTubing, and Intake Clamps

Vendors:

Summitracing.com
Max-Redline.com
Intakehoses.com
Recall off hand your final price? Have to admit I do like your setup.. and I hate to say it, but after the lack of updates this weekend I'm really starting to loose faith in the turbo build. May be time to throw in the towel and look to some simpler options ..
 
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Old 07-30-2012 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Recall off hand your final price? Have to admit I do like your setup.. and I hate to say it, but after the lack of updates this weekend I'm really starting to loose faith in the turbo build. May be time to throw in the towel and look to some simpler options ..
Say it ain't so, you were one of the few who stayed positive!
 
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Old 07-30-2012 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rayth
Say it ain't so, you were one of the few who stayed positive!
You know I was REALLY trying to stay positive with this, but after telling me and jonctavar updates were on the agenda for the weekend, and nothing as of today, I'm finally becoming discouraged. We all know it's not an easy car to conquer, but it's almost looking like a "when there's nothing on TV we'll work on it" thing. Really disappointing since they have been such a major player for the Miata. But I guess there was enough of them around to make it a "must do" project.
 
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Old 07-30-2012 | 11:46 PM
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Default Re: dual cai vs cai

Originally Posted by maxcichon
I put this together for some other folks here:

This is for mine, see my signature. Your choice.


Dual CAI Parts List

• 2) Spectre #9833 3" I/O Air Box (Summit # SPE-9833) Summit Racing
• 2) Max-Redline 3" 90 Degree Elbows, Aluminum (M-R # PIP300-90) Max-Redline.com
• 1) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3 1/2" Reducer Elbow (Intake Hoses # 90L35R30)
• 2) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3" coupler (Intake Hoses # C40B-300X3)
• 1) Intakehoses.com Hose Clamp for 3 1/2" ID Hose (Intake Hoses # 64060)
• 7) Intakehoses.com Hose Clamp for 3" ID Hose (Intake Hoses # 64048)
• 1) Intakehoses.com 3" X 3” Tee (Intake Hose # 90T333) Intake Hoses, IntakeTubing, and Intake Clamps

Vendors:

Summitracing.com
Max-Redline.com
Intakehoses.com

Hey Max, the redline site number you reference gives three elbows ( Max-Redline.com - max-redline.com Product List ) for that part number, can you narrow it down? Thanks!
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by +fireamx
That's cool, so which one would you (an avid drag racer) recommend?
Steve and I have discussed this ad-nauseum...

Some of the fastest cars on this site use a big pulley, DR's, tune, and a single 3" intake.

mrphotoman, Mimi, grip grip, etc...

The dual makes great numbers, and looks better, and has better immediate throttle response. But the proof is in the drag times (whether published or not). They're really too close to call. That said, I'm going with a dual simply for the balanced look and extra 5 horses under the curve. Since the rest of my motor is staying pretty mild, I'm making the intake wild.

With a big filter, the single is within ~100 CFM of the dual. IMO the dual only makes up for the slight pinch in the radiator pass-through on the passenger intake.

The single is simpler, and with the same air flowing over less metal, I'd dare say the IAT's are ever-so-slightly less than the dual. More metal with a given amount of air = more heat retention.

For an N/A, there's no way I'd do a dual unless it was done for cheap (like max did). For the SRT, do whatever floats your boat. There are plenty of factors to equalize times (traction, driver mod, sh!tty TCU tune (sorry Steve)).
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGhost
Hey Max, the redline site number you reference gives three elbows ( Max-Redline.com - max-redline.com Product List ) for that part number, can you narrow it down? Thanks!
Per his post, PIP300-90 (not the -24 or -L)

Max-Redline.com - 3" 90 Degree Bend Aluminum Pipe, 2.0mm Thick Tube, 18" Length
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K


Duh! I should have seen that... It's late and I should go to bed now... Thanks JHM2K!
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGhost
Duh! I should have seen that... It's late and I should go to bed now... Thanks JHM2K!
Anytime sir...
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 12:39 AM
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p.s. to the OP, the Needswings intakes are currently in a group buy if you decide to not go the DIY route
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGhost
Hey Max, the redline site number you reference gives three elbows ( Max-Redline.com - max-redline.com Product List ) for that part number, can you narrow it down? Thanks!
Item Code: PIP300-90

18"
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
...unless it was done for cheap (like max did)...
Whuddya' mean: cheap? I've got $210 in that baby!
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 08:09 AM
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Max, you need to update that engine picture to show all the fancy new paint you did on the manifold and valve covers ......
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by maxcichon
Whuddya' mean: cheap? I've got $210 in that baby!
Sorry max... "economically"
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by alaxfire
Max, you need to update that engine picture to show all the fancy new paint you did on the manifold and valve covers ......
Yeah, you're right. But, every time I try to change anything in it, I get strange errors.
 
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Old 07-31-2012 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
Some of the fastest cars on this site use a big pulley, DR's, tune, and a single 3" intake.

mrphotoman, Mimi, grip grip, etc...
Maybe a big pulley someday. Still using my itty bitty 1st gen Code-3 pulley with stock manis, heat exchanger, intercooler pump, muffler and of course my single cai is a homemade unit.
 
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Old 08-08-2012 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rayth
p.s. to the OP, the Needswings intakes are currently in a group buy if you decide to not go the DIY route
Group buy? Still going on? Any details? I'm interested!
 
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Old 08-08-2012 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by shatteredhourglass
Group buy? Still going on? Any details? I'm interested!
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...ng-coupon.html

I just paid for mine but you might still be able to sneak in.. you'll need to pay for a membership and register on the Crossfire International site, though, so you may want to ask Rob from Needswings first if he'll let you in on it...
 
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