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Old 12-10-2011 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
Hi Guys,

I have not posted much lately. I was at our coporate HQ all last week for training, meetings, dinners and Christmas party. Over the weekend I injured my back and the doctor says I have a ruptured disc which is also causing sciatic nerve pain in my left leg. The meds are working and I think I can get out of bed today! I am being sent to a spine doctor who is going to do a MRI and see if I need surgery. OH fun!

I did speak to Corky and he is in the process of nailing down the date to receive Proto !. Once we have that date we need to get deposits in about a week before proto 1 arrives. I will have more updates on timing, costs deposits etc within a couple of days. I have been using my down time to read Corky's book. anyone who doesn't have one should get one. It is a great book and really shows Corky's approach and engineering knowledge regarding turbo's. One of the things I found very interesting is that the key to making lots of safe HP, intake temps are extreamly important and boost alone doesn't make HP.
Luckily, winter's here.. (Did I rly just say that??) .. so the decision on the clutch can wait 'til spring. By then, the decision will likely be made for me based on this group's findings.
Here's some irony for ya... I'm off work with a herniated or ruptured disc as well... My MRI is next Wednesday...
Take care of yourself Bob... We'll compare notes when I get my results!
Well Medicated, Steve.
 
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Old 12-11-2011 | 12:10 PM
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Well guys, if I find a paying job maybe I can take your place. My 2006 Roadster has been talking to me about exhaust and a turbo. I would love to have both. I would probablt run the stock 6 sppeed until I had to change the clutch and add a little more strength to it. I'm not going to beat it to death on the strip, but may take it out once or twice just to see what it can do time wise. I'm certainly not ready now, but hope to get a job soon.
 
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Old 12-12-2011 | 12:01 PM
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Hey guys, Here is the latest:

Deposits are due one week before the first Crossfire arrives at BEGi. Corky preferes checks but credit card is a possiblily if needed. He got burned bad on a credit card transaction by a foriegn buyer so he tries to avoid credit cards if possible. Corky has talked to DJ and I believe they are down to two possible dates which are Jan. 6th and Jan. 13th. Corky will fly to El Paso and meet DJ and drive the Crossfire back to his San Antonio shop.

BelowHere is the latest from Corky. Let me know if this causes any issues for anyone. Corky is willing to work with a buyer if needed. He is a great guy and said anyone is free to call him if they like. Just mention "Crossfire porject" to anyone who answers the phone.

Email to group from Corky:

Program:

To produce a turbo charger system for the CrossFire:

1. Two prototypes need to be assembled before shipping any kits.

2. The fee for each proto is $3,200. This fee should be prepaid in full one week prior to arrival of the CF1 proto. The prepayment will allow purchase of all items needed before the CF arrives.

3 The CF2 needs to be at our facility four weeks after CF1 arrives. The fee of $3,200 should be prepaid one week prior to its arrival.

4. A total of ten commitments for kits must exist, not including the two prototypes. Deposits of $200 each in hand prior to beginning work on the protos.

5. Kits will be shipped in the order of deposits. However, all 10 kits will be built simultaneously.

6. Each kit must have an additional $2,000 prepayment. The prepayment is due when we begin construction of the ten kits.

7. The first ten kits shipped will be at a price of $3,600 plus freight. Various options will exist that can either add to or delete from this base price. This will be negotiated at the time of construction.
 

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Old 12-12-2011 | 11:10 PM
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Is this kit going to be produced, or is this a one time thing...
I'm down to help the cause with a deposit, but it would be awhile before I could buy the whole thing. In the process of moving... I'd be willing to put $5oo down and give money monthly to help get this thing going... Let me know... Very excited about this...Thank you all for getting this going..

?.... Going to be ok for auto?
?.... You think eurocharged can handle the tuning needs???

Man I want one...
 

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Old 12-12-2011 | 11:54 PM
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Post removed, as I am no longer in the hunt and won't sway you guys one way or another.

Cheers,

-JM
 

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Old 12-13-2011 | 12:07 AM
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I'm interested and want one...
Just would like more info....
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 12:09 AM
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Yes on the automatics
Eurocharge is not part of the picture..
Kleemann - Mercedes and AMG engines tuned by us!
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by crosseduphwy101
I'm interested and want one...
Just would like more info....
Considering it's still basically on the drawing board still, all info is in this thread and the "original" thread. Numbers for torque and rwhp are yet to be determind. I would guess a dyno run on the prototypes is in order..haven't seen it stated but surely to get performance numbers to go with the upgrade kit..think "butt dyno" isn't going to cut it here....Lantana?
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 01:32 AM
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I can pay for it by march... But the whole build them at the same time worries me as my car is not stock. So if the are all built off of the stock 68 mm throttle body would it even work for me? Also what are the options and how much is shipping going to average? I had a freight order for an mg midget that cost me $500 once due to the fragile parts i was recieving.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 02:02 AM
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I would definitely be interested. 3500 is a little steep but if that is his target price in order to gain a profit, i'm down. I jus purchased my X-Fire and already looking at performance mods. Started doin e-net searches for an available turbo kits and came up empty but looks like i've found a ray of light
If you could add me to the list.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Yes on the automatics
Eurocharge is not part of the picture..
Kleemann - Mercedes and AMG engines tuned by us!
I checked out the Kleeman site.. Hope I hit the wrong page. The closest thing to a price i could find on their site is 795 Euro for an ECU upgrade... ??? Kleemann - ECU upgrades for Mercedes-Benz and AMG engines
Pls tell me I screwed up.

Speaking of $$...
I agree with John regarding the deposits and amounts now required by BEGI.
I have absolutely no doubt about the quality of product they would produce.
However, I don't know of many cases where a business can pre-sell (and receive virtually full payment) on a product that hasn't even been prototyped.
Let's face it... money's tight all 'round these days. Things are not much better north of the border either.
Personally, I just think it's a bit much to ask for all the money upfront.
3600
+ 500 ? shipping
+ ?? customs
+ ?? Kleeman
+ ?? MB engine cover ...
+ my time / labour for the install may equate to an SRT/6 being the answer after all. ....which is what we were trying to avoid in the first place.
BEGI hasn't given any concrete details on the system itself... it still only exists in the 'Ether'..
I'm not bailing out, but I am apprehensive,and am questioning the validity of this path to more power.
...Just my thoughts at the moment.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:32 AM
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I spoke to Corky before posting his email. I was concerned that he stated building kit at the same time and mentioned that the list we created was based one kit per week and that some requested the bottom of the list to allow for saving up. He put me at ease and said he would work with any of you individually if needed. If you notice 2 proto's and 10 kits equal 12. He is budgeting for two peoplel to drop out because "things just happen". He is only counting on 10. He also said any of you can call him if you like and his number is on his letter in post #1. He is trying very hard to provide a great kit at a very competitive price. My main concern is the amount due when kits go into production. I believe he is trying to save costs by making parts in batches instead of one at a time. This would make sense but not if we can't come up with the cash. I would rather see a deposit, then a partial payment of 50-60% when my kit is started and full payment when ready to ship and base all this on the one kit per week after the first two kits are complete.

There will be extensive testing and dyno runs. One thing to keep in mind is that if you know what you are doing you can estimate HP and torque very closely. You should expect SRT performance and with your superior trans and rear gearing you just may have some nice advantages.

Also once we have these kits there may be a stage 2 system which could give any SRT regardless of mods some real trouble. My car will hopfully be the first to test this but it involves using a AMG/SRT ECU which allows full tuning for even higher boost. Rudy gave me this idea a year or so ago to start my car from the key as he found only the Kompressor ECU can work with the key in a Crossfire. Rudy and I as well as Corky have already talked about this stage 2 idea. Rudy would supply pre-coded ECU's and then Eurocharge tunes it. Web3.0 recently went this route with Rudy's help and it worked? This was after fighting an AEM piggy back system for over a year. So once you have a kit on your car don't expect that you have reached the limit. Expect even more development by some of us crazies that you can benefits from.

PM me of you like with thoughts questions and concerns and I will talk with Corky or feel free to call him yourself.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:37 AM
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+ my time / labour for the install may equate to an SRT/6 being the answer after all. ....which is what we were trying to avoid in the first place.
If you think it will be cheaper than simply buying an SRT, you are crazy . A nice limited costs damn near the same (and in some cases more) than a nice SRT at this point in time. Most of us are either attached to our limiteds and their other mods, or attached to our manual transmissions, hence an SRT would never fit the bill.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:40 AM
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If you think it will be cheaper than simply buying an SRT, you are crazy . A nice limited costs damn near the same (and in some cases more) than a nice SRT at this point in time. Most of us are either attached to our limiteds and their other mods, or attached to our manual transmissions, hence an SRT would never fit the bill.
I was debating chiming in but this couldnt have been said any better .

I just hope my tax return is healthy.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sk8erjosh09
I was debating chiming in but this couldnt have been said any better .

I just hope my tax return is healthy.
What's a tax return? My kids are in their 20's = no tax return
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:48 AM
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What's a tax return? My kids are in their 20's = no tax return
Ive been getting tax returns since I started working full time at 16. I also have 2 kids and a fiance/homemaker, so Im hoping 2 dependants added to the one will let me see some extra green
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 10:57 AM
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Ive been getting tax returns since I started working full time at 16. I also have 2 kids and a fiance/homemaker, so Im hoping 2 dependants added to the one will let me see some extra green
Yes you should, I did very well while the kids were young and on the plan...
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 11:47 AM
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It hasn't been directly addressed, but the tuning aspect.. I know CF1 and CF2 will have it. Additional dollars or part of the package? Kits..how are those going to work out? Additional and deal with Kleeman? Kleeman seems Keen on send us your ECU, so down time for that if that's the way it swings.
Just trying to cover all bases before the game starts.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 11:50 AM
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A nice limited costs damn near the same (and in some cases more) than a nice SRT at this point in time.
This!

I am a prime example. I couldn't find an acceptable Limited in my desired color-combo for less than $14,500...

Now, I'm in with the dark side.
 
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Old 12-13-2011 | 01:53 PM
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Still worried about Corky producing all the units at once from the stock motor when some of us are not stock and will need minor adjustments.
 



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