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Old 07-15-2012 | 12:31 AM
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[quote=Mrmiata;669916]Chatting a little bit with Stephanie..and in case anyone's wondering.. I may have shot myself in the foot for prototype.. but cards have fallen right and I will be on the DIY list.. :-)




Oct.-Nov. Humm..just smell the stuff you are trying to shovel
 

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Old 07-15-2012 | 12:40 AM
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Oct.-Nov. Humm
DIY kit too at that point. Guess you don't realize plans change when 4 horizontal wells go online producing over 500 barrels a day. Not to mention two more they just finished and are scheduled for fracturing. Try to keep up from earlier post.. "vacation there while they install". Don't see where that "jumps line" on anyone. And since you haven't grasped the concept obviously, the "kits" are available to anyone after the completion of this project.
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Old 07-15-2012 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
It's a sideline project while the money making work continues.
I will concede they have probably gotten into more than they bargained for, but at this point, unlike a recent header adventure, they haven't thrown in the towel have they..
i invite you to read the begi website. ALL THEY DO IS BUILD TURBO AND SUPERCHARGER KITS FOR CARS! how can you say this is a sideline project for them when the entire company objective is to build kits for cars? this is the way they make money so any project they build is a moneymaker for them or they wouldnt do it
this isnt a shop that does common car repair and said we will take a look at building a kit. this is a company that brags about 35 yrs of engineering design to build the best kit in the world.
im sure they will eventually complete the project. but i will bet you lunch they wont complete on time or at the cost they projected.
 
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Old 07-15-2012 | 11:05 AM
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i invite you to read the begi website. ALL THEY DO IS BUILD TURBO AND SUPERCHARGER KITS FOR CARS! how can you say this is a sideline project for them when the entire company objective is to build kits for cars? this is the way they make money so any project they build is a moneymaker for them or they wouldnt do it
this isnt a shop that does common car repair and said we will take a look at building a kit. this is a company that brags about 35 yrs of engineering design to build the best kit in the world.
im sure they will eventually complete the project. but i will bet you lunch they wont complete on time or at the cost they projected.
So you really think the money they have received from this group is keeping the doors open?
At work we'll take your order for 10 custom brackets, but don't think your brackets give you clout. An effort will be made to meet your schedule, But it's not going to take priority over a $170k generator package. We'll work it in around our money maker. From what I've seen the Miata is the money maker with a future for them.
Does that help clarify "sideline project"?
 
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Old 07-15-2012 | 11:16 AM
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So you really think the money they have received from this group is keeping the doors open?
At work we'll take your order for 10 custom brackets, but don't think your brackets give you clout. An effort will be made to meet your schedule, But it's not going to take priority over a $170k generator package. We'll work it in around our money maker. From what I've seen the Miata is the money maker with a future for them.
Does that help clarify "sideline project"?
its highly unlikely any one project they do keeps their doors open. its not like they pump out 2 miata kits a week every week. its a cumilation of all the projects they do that keeps them in buisness.
 
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Old 07-15-2012 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
its highly unlikely any one project they do keeps their doors open. its not like they pump out 2 miata kits a week every week. its a cumilation of all the projects they do that keeps them in buisness.
They have more than one thing they build...they have a seperate bldg for intercoolers ya know...they do sell part more than anything...Based on what I've seen its a medium sized business meaning they don't have a production line and everything is made by hand or custom..This for me seems like a secondary project...which is fine sice there isent a big market compared to miatas... they will finish soon I can tell by corkys confidence in the project so hush hush..and it will be @ d price we had agreed
 
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Old 07-15-2012 | 04:33 PM
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Thank you for clearing up all the "speculation". Like I've stated this project can no way be priority one and keep the lights on. I'm sure they were maybe a little over confident at the start - like most everyone who shows up with a laptop and cable and are going to rock our world with their program tuning skills.

Oh..by the way after reading this again.. where did those boy wonders go?
 

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Old 07-15-2012 | 06:15 PM
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Well today is the day that BEGI has their Dyno day. It's located just a few miles from them at Lonestar Dyno. It's a big Hoopla with food and stuff, Hummm interesting , do you think any Crossfires will show up? Do you think they have finished their door knocking and found a tuner for ours? If they have a Tuner then he would be able to show them how to put the car in Dyno mode. Maybe their going to showcase some of their latest projects.?? Who knows.
 
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Old 07-15-2012 | 07:13 PM
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Well today is the day that BEGI has their Dyno day. It's located just a few miles from them at Lonestar Dyno. It's a big Hoopla with food and stuff, Hummm interesting , do you think any Crossfires will show up? Do you think they have finished their door knocking and found a tuner for ours? If they have a Tuner then he would be able to show them how to put the car in Dyno mode. Maybe their going to showcase some of their latest projects.?? Who knows.
Yep.. I hear ya from here.. Heaven forbid business should go on as normal with a crossfire waiting to be finished. Maybe they will finish this week and you can find something else to cry about.. Maybe.
 
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Old 07-16-2012 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Yep.. I hear ya from here.. Heaven forbid business should go on as normal with a crossfire waiting to be finished. Maybe they will finish this week and you can find something else to cry about.. Maybe.
Anyone have any updates or should I ask 4 one
 
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Old 07-17-2012 | 01:34 AM
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Anyone have any updates or should I ask 4 one
I'm sorry, I think the latest information we got was the invaluable information you brought back to the forum from your trip. You might want to check with Mrmiata, I think he communicates with them on a daily basis figuring out if he is "in or out" or doing it himself or having them do it, you know that kind of thing. Sorry I couldn't be more informative.
 

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Old 07-17-2012 | 09:42 AM
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UPDATE

DJ,
A good week of progress. Tubes and details. Brackets to relocate hoses, etc.

One more tube to make and the pieces will be ready for powder coat.

It took one more iteration on the flow meter mount. I begin to feel inept at times.
Finally got the path looking like it fits in with the engine cover properly. Angles in a vertical plane were the
fit that needed to look correct.

No crank up date yet, but toward the end of this week I should be able to make a decent guess.

Regards,
corky
 
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Old 07-17-2012 | 11:10 AM
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UPDATE

DJ,
A good week of progress. Tubes and details. Brackets to relocate hoses, etc.

One more tube to make and the pieces will be ready for powder coat.

It took one more iteration on the flow meter mount. I begin to feel inept at times.
Finally got the path looking like it fits in with the engine cover properly. Angles in a vertical plane were the
fit that needed to look correct.

No crank up date yet, but toward the end of this week I should be able to make a decent guess.

Regards,
corky

Thanks for the update tighed1
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 02:41 AM
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not for nothing even the 2011+ mustang v6 has a turbo kit from hellion available as we speak.. 400 wheel on low boost, 950 with the upgraded turbo and internals. Why is it so hard to boost an NA crossfire?
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 07:28 AM
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not for nothing even the 2011+ mustang v6 has a turbo kit from hellion available as we speak.. 400 wheel on low boost, 950 with the upgraded turbo and internals. Why is it so hard to boost an NA crossfire?
And I bet they have headers readily available.. For the stang.
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 09:02 AM
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Now that's a thought. Ask Corky if he can build headers for our cars after he's done with the turbo kit. I'll bet they'd be ready before the other guys.

Les
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 09:31 AM
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not for nothing even the 2011+ mustang v6 has a turbo kit from hellion available as we speak.. 400 wheel on low boost, 950 with the upgraded turbo and internals. Why is it so hard to boost an NA crossfire?
What does the kit cost, out of curiosity?
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 10:47 AM
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And I bet they have headers readily available.. For the stang.
Of course they do, LOL... there are 30 Stangs on the road to one Crossfire. A company could sell portable toasters for Mustangs and sell enough as a gag gift to stay in business. I've even seen Mustang specific companies release performance parts before the platform was out for a month. Tons of money to be made there, same with GM. All we have are the Benz tuners, and those guys are all focused on the 5.5 TT motor... M112 is a dinosaur.

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Now that's a thought. Ask Corky if he can build headers for our cars after he's done with the turbo kit. I'll bet they'd be ready before the other guys.

Les
Definitely an idea, and SD is out of the hunt completely so it's hardly a race. I'm still trying to figure out how a set could be designed that would make power. The VRP headers were a fail, and we don't have room for long-tubes (mass produced). LET/Eurocharged made some log-style manifolds a while back and IIRC they didn't make any power, which was shocking given how successful the Kleemann log is on the M113K.

How hard would it be to bolt an OEM manifold to a used head, weld a mounting plate in position that mates to the rear flange, and design a shorty within those confines? The VRP headers were close but they still struck the bell housing
 
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Old 07-18-2012 | 11:26 AM
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How hard would it be to bolt an OEM manifold to a used head, weld a mounting plate in position that mates to the rear flange, and design a shorty within those confines? The VRP headers were close but they still struck the bell housing
Sounds like those were 95% there. One would think just a little tweaking on a bend or two would give the required fitment? Just finding a shop interested enough to work with and not want your first born would probably be the only holdback.

Edit: Were those the ones SD was showing at the start of that thread?
 

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Old 07-18-2012 | 12:29 PM
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Sounds like those were 95% there. One would think just a little tweaking on a bend or two would give the required fitment? Just finding a shop interested enough to work with and not want your first born would probably be the only holdback.

Edit: Were those the ones SD was showing at the start of that thread?
Yes, that was the root of our frustration.

It took ~9/10 months for them to tell us that the fit wasn't satisfactory (which we knew from the beginning). Also, while they claimed the proto was their own design, it's rather interesting to me that the ones Steve sent up (VRP) for SD to use as a template looked identical to the "progress" pics.

The need is a simple one: Design a shorty header that fits between the exhaust ports on the head, and the OE catalytic converter flange, with bigger primaries than stock... without leaking or hitting the transmission.

We're coming up on the nine year anniversary of the Crossfire, and the above hasn't happened.
 



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