The 3.5 is no joke, high-14 1/4 mile times. Considering the Crossfire runs 15.1-15.2 stock...

Regarding the horsepower guesses, one must remember that the initial tuning for the turbo was to be done by Kleemann, before some pencil pusher in one of the companies decided against that partnership. Kleemann was the company that provided the contact info to Corky. So the boost pressure and tuning was originally set to mimic that of the Kleemann intercooled blower.

This is copied from MB-World, a site with a few Kleemann-charged M112s...

Those numbers are right in line with the figures on Kleeman's website (331 HP/326 lb/ft torque). Those are flywheel/crank figures, NOT RWHP. A Kleeman kit on a V6 doesn't make as much HP as the C32 AMG motor since it runs at lower boost from the higher compression ratio of the NA M112 motor. You will make more RWHP with a manual than an auto transmission. On a 3.2L NA motor, you will probably get around 270 RWHP. Most C32 AMG dyno at 270-290 RWHP.

This kit will be fun on a W203 with 6spd MT, you'll probably need to reinforce the transmission though.

Given the increased efficiency of the turbo, you *might* see another ~10 RWHP @ 5,800 RPM. Torque curve will be impressive but not nearly as immediate as you'd get with a supercharger. Think "hill" versus "plateau". The turbo will have an advantage over the supercharger in the terms of IATs, so the HP shouldn't taper off in the last 200 RPMs like the supercharged motors do.

Since Eurocharged Houston location is sorta close, I would recommend the car be taken there for the final dyno. He runs the heartbreaker dyno which is far more realistic, and he has experience in putting the N/A Crossfire on the dyno with no issues pulling up to redline.

If Kleemann only squeezed out 270 RWHP, the estimates of 310+ are optimistic at best. Especially since Corky is retaining the stock silver airbox,,,

 

Is this first hand knowledge - or speculation? I haven't read anything that actually states this. I just don't see getting it all sealed up (and clamped off at the TB end ) to maintain boost pressure with it.

 

Really? I have.

Also:

And...

So, I hope you guys like silver.

 

I do like silver! matches my car good.. LOL. And Krylon has a full rainbow of selection for those who want different. Not to mention if the old cover fits.. the MB cover alternate should to shouldn't it??

And I wasn't thinking three dimensionally .. guess you could swing the inlet to the TB to 45 or 90 or any combination in between.

 

Honestly I expect the finished product to be w/o the front tubes, and the TB inlet will likely be offset towards the passenger side to received the intercooled charge. With the inlet tube disconnected and the lower filter boxes unbolted, the stock cover is cosmetic only and simply conceals the horrendous maze of harnesses and EGI systems. The M112, with no cover, is a homely thing.

In my conversations with Corky, he didn't like the E/ML engine cover because of the exposed coil packs and the requirement for the owner to have to buy a new cover. It just adds more cost/BS. His thinking is likely that if the OE silver airbox hides everything completely and is free (one included with every Crossfire purchase!), why not just use that?

Plus, it seems he's utilizing the overhang of the silver cover for the mounting of key components.

You could likely 86 the cover in favor of no cover, or the E/ML cover... BUT... you'd need to figure out how to secure the flow meter in another manner.

I'd hazard to say that once the "volume" kit is produced and released to the public, people will be making their own unique tweaks (both in tuning and cosmetics).

And then we will start seeing threads like Dave mentioned.

 

278.3 rwhp

 

We have a betting pool on how many Horsepower the CF 1 will produce to the back wheels.
To the winner goes bragging rights and you better hope it's not me. I have no inside info. Not even what kind of Dyno they are using. Since we don't how many Dynos they are going to run, the highest Horsepower registered from Corky will mark the winner. My bet is 284.4 RWHP


Don't forget in order to have bragging rights you have to be on the list before it's Dyno'ed
Don't come around with a 2# brain pushing a 6# mouth telling us what you knew and how many builds you have been in..blah blah blah, if you don't have your bet in. Until then it's a free- for- all

Me 284.4
Mrmiata 293.7
MoparFreak69 302.7
jonctovar 317.99
05roadsterguy 300.0
sk8ejosh09 280 ish
Airscape 275.2
gunner1374 289
JHM2K 285+ - 1
velociabstrack 265.0
Tjb421 270
BoilerUpXFire 260
Osofast2 268
Choppy 250
Bigkid 292
dtinker 311
johnbook 255
onehundred80 165 or 170 or 175 or 180 or maybe 182 or maybe, Where were we, I forgot what I was doing humm?????
frankeyser 278.3

Anybody not in, we have lots of time. Lots of you think we are near the end but here is my take on the time frame. We are still nowhere near starting up CR/1. Delivery date for CR/2 last estimate mid to early June ..this is either gone or coming, who knows. There is still tuning on CR/1 and the built on CR/2, time frame unknown depending on manpower being available for this job. Last month they said they would hopefully be driving within 15 days
Not even close. At least with CR/2 there will be CR/1 to reference from. Once it is completed they can start producing Kits to be shipped. Depending on manpower and availability , no one know when this will be. I'm thinking quite a few months away, I'm thinking 5 or 6. These are my guesstimates based on performance so far. This is more of a holistic look at the situation than a negative comment.

Mrmiata man superhero defender of Corky
Before you squeeze into your tights and get your cape on and zap over to your keyboard, Could you possibly get MY G.I. Joe Toy back from JHM2K.
(G.I .Joe from other post humor)

 

since they couldnt figure out how to dyno the car before the turbo was installed what makes everyone think they will figure it out after its installed?

 

Well I'll tell you, uhm...uhm...You got me there.. Now how about placing your bet in case they do figure it out eventually.

 

Amen! Captain Kirk says it all below!

 

Stings, but it's the truth.

Hence my

Makes me wonder how they even plan to tune it?

 

I don't see where a "pre_dyno" was mission critical.
Just look online with google if you need a starting point.
Pretty sure "base" horse power is listed somewhere.

 

apples to oranges. any tuning shop worth its salt would do a pre dyno to form a baseline then dyno to see the inc. and tune accordingly. as always every car tunes differently and they need the data to sell kits.

john i think you read more into the kleeman file plans then were actually there. the PLAN was to use kleeman but it never materialized so in reality begi has no idea how kleeman tunes their cars.
finally for anyone who thought this would be an easy build the time it has taken to just fit the kit speaks volumes!! no way to know how long it will take to tune the setup. iirc they will be remote tuning from a shop in germany so it could be very tough

 

Not much sense in a futile "point - counter point". All I'll say is I have a crossfire waiting for completion of this project. Think I'll go interject my .02 worth in the intercooler pump thread.. even though I don't have one.
Just another thought about "speaking volumes". The header project took what 6 months to terminate? Meanwhile several people have mentioned independent shops that can build them within 2-3 weeks. How the volume on that?

 

I am really glad you brought up the tuning aspect of this build. I feel it is the most important part and I thought it might have been discussed earlier. A lot of Companies can put a tune on these but very few companies can comprehend the complexity of the data and tune it.
We don't know who is tuning our cars, and if they have considerable experience in understanding the data then any problem would be just a small bump in the road for them to sort out. If not it could be a rough ride. Now for the time frame it could be a long wait depending on the tuners schedule. I know you have knowledge of these tunes from talking to other MB owners and your own experience. Anything you would like to share of your experiences with the tuning I would be more than happy to read about.
Now the time stuff..I can't by into it, the amount of time since this has started has no bearing on the actual time spent on this car. That would equate to 900 hundred man hours by now and we know that can't be. Even half that would be stretching it.
Just multiply those hours by his operating costs and it will be obvious.

 

I don't see where 1 paid kit and $1500 bucks extra covers the R&D required and keeps the doors open. In case someone doesn't realize this project "maybe" covers rent and electric for one month... It's a sideline project while the money making work continues. Someone want to send them a 10 grand expedition fee? I'm sure they could then negotiate a satisfactory deadline. It was mentioned earlier a 75K project.. how much of that translates to profit? I'd place a bet there's no company vacation to the Bahamas from the completion and profit off this.
I will concede they have probably gotten into more than they bargained for, but at this point, unlike a recent header adventure, they haven't thrown in the towel have they..

 

Just when I try to be nice and play well with others you bring me back in with facts. Nobody asked me for $1500 bucks, don't know where the 75K is coming from,didn't know this was a sideline project when it started out. They gave the approximate time frame not us. I suggest you revisit the original posts they did that got us down this road. They haven't thrown in the towel, I believe you did once.

 

Threw in the towel? No.. Un anticipated delay? Yep. Concede second prototype to insure no further delays and give away my deposit with it.. yes. Have I sent an email to Stephanie about having mine done by them in Oct.- Nov. while the wife and I do a vacation down there? Yes. And was told they'd work me a deal on it. Don't know where $15,000 comes in to play.

I'd say based on the fact I'm out $200 bucks should give me the biggest right to cry short of Tigh1. "IF" my car would have been delivered 45 days after CF1, I wouldn't have been in the "loan to a friend" position. But ya don't see me going wawa now do you. So I guess at this point.. go play with yourself?

 

Yes it was nice of you to solicit the forum for someone to take your spot and it was nice of 05roadsterguy to step up to the plate, when he could of just phoned Corky and made his own arrangements but he did the right thing. Now when it comes time for your return you don't solicit the forum to see if you could help out another forum member and take their spot in case someone else was stuck. With no respect to the forum members, you just phoned Corky and jump right back in, moving everybody back a spot. That is not playing nice with others.

 

Back to playing with yourself..
A - email.. not phone call
B- offers have been made to take others places by other members.
C - Oct-Nov. now just who did I jump in front of? Am I really supposed to pay another $200 dollars "to get
back in line?" or make my own arrangements for after the obligations here?
D - Return? Never left the project, merely vacated CF2 spot and donated my deposit as incentive to my replacement.
E - Respect for forum members? Is that what your negative comments are?
F - U can read in what you want and fantasize all you want. But you now have the facts.