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Old 07-09-2012 | 05:15 PM
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Hmm, will be interested to see the pics, would seem inefficient to have the nice compressed air flowing back into the stock silver box. (that and some no longer have one) Dont think there is enough room in the back to use the stock airbox to feed the intercooler. If it remains in place just for looks I guess it could be modified to cool the engine compartment a little. Any info on the air path would be good to know. I had started planning on modifying a 320 box to have ready when the kit comes.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jonctovar
I saw the car @ BEGi shop looks stock lol...but underneath I bet there is a monster ...Corky is such a nice person and so the people who work there as well...Could have talked with Corky for days... too bad I didn't have soo much time to hang around there too long... Can't wait
Originally Posted by jonctovar
OK its official I will be at BEGi thursday or friday of next week excited to see the developments.... will take lots of pics!!!! How far is it from SA?? map states 30 min
So where are the pictures?
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 05:46 PM
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I wonder if he was allowed to take any? I could see not wanting to let someone photo a product I was planning on selling. But I would let them at least view it.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Airscape
Hmm, will be interested to see the pics, would seem inefficient to have the nice compressed air flowing back into the stock silver box. (that and some no longer have one) Dont think there is enough room in the back to use the stock airbox to feed the intercooler. If it remains in place just for looks I guess it could be modified to cool the engine compartment a little. Any info on the air path would be good to know. I had started planning on modifying a 320 box to have ready when the kit comes.
Now it's sounding like a winner idea.. drop the covers off the filter housing..you have cooler air blowing on the motor itself via the OEM path. Now slice off enough of the tail for the charge pipe. "near" oem appearance with the charge pipe snaking in underneath it.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
So where are the pictures?
No one said anything or commenting on wanting pictures or sending questions for me to take to corky...so I asked the important questions for me and walked around for my eyes only.. should have said something earlier
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jonctovar
No one said anything or commenting on wanting pictures or sending questions for me to take to corky...so I asked the important questions for me and walked around for my eyes only.. should have said something earlier
Why you gotta remind me of my own kids???

3/4 of us standing around doing the pee-pee dance waiting on the restroom without knocking and saying hurry up.. and you go in and smoke a cigarette and drink a coke!
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jonctovar
No one said anything or commenting on wanting pictures or sending questions for me to take to corky...so I asked the important questions for me and walked around for my eyes only.. should have said something earlier
We just assumed when you said "WILL take lots of pics" that there would be enough photo evidence to glean from... so that may be why you didn't get any specific requests.

5-10 underhood shots would have been money.

Oh well, all will be revealed shortly. No biggie.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 08:01 PM
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We just assumed when you said "WILL take lots of pics" that there would be enough photo evidence to glean from... so that may be why you didn't get any specific requests.

5-10 underhood shots would have been money.

Oh well, all will be revealed shortly. No biggie.
Hows that go.. pics or it didn't happen! LOL
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Hows that go.. pics or it didn't happen! LOL
What works for *****, works for turbos
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
We just assumed when you said "WILL take lots of pics" that there would be enough photo evidence to glean from... so that may be why you didn't get any specific requests.

5-10 underhood shots would have been money.

Oh well, all will be revealed shortly. No biggie.
^^^^^What he said. Amazing.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 09:24 PM
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[QUOTE=BoilerUpXFire;682973]DJ - Are we talking about the OEM engine cover? I would think that anyone who is serious about performance on this car has ditched that a long time ago in favor of a single or dual CAI. I was under the impression this cover would be totally removed for the turbo setup....



From my understanding, the charge pipe was to go around one of these:

Engine Cover For 1998 Mercedes E Class 3.2L OEM LKQ | eBay

See post#9
 

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Old 07-09-2012 | 09:39 PM
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[quote=turbomar;683092]
Originally Posted by BoilerUpXFire
DJ - Are we talking about the OEM engine cover? I would think that anyone who is serious about performance on this car has ditched that a long time ago in favor of a single or dual CAI. I was under the impression this cover would be totally removed for the turbo setup....



From my understanding, the charge pipe was to go around one of these:

Engine Cover For 1998 Mercedes E Class 3.2L OEM LKQ | eBay

See post#9
Nothing was ever set in stone.. it was suggested as a likely route. I think John had plans of delivering his car with it.
 
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Old 07-09-2012 | 10:51 PM
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You don't have to cover or move your beer for this one.
Yup, I ditched my OEM Airbox right off the bat, for the bigger MB V8 Airbox and tubes.
The only reason I can see us keeping the Airbox is for cosmetic purposes only.
I think we would just be looking for Turbo leaks and the air is usually filtered before the Turbo. Now for the good part..If you all just have a little patience, these questions will all be answered in the future. You gotta know I love saying that.


Now for the fun part. Whatcha say we have a betting pool on how many Horsepower the CF 1 will produce to the back wheels.
To the winner goes bragging rights and you better hope it's not me. We need a bookie to keep track, anyone what to do it ? I have no inside info. Not even what kind of Dyno they are using. Since we don't how many Dynos they are going to run, the highest Horsepower registered from Corky will mark the winner. My bet is 284.4 RWHP
Goodnight
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 12:00 AM
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Let the list begin.. LOL
Originally Posted by bjames
284.4 RWHP
Goodnight
I'll take 293.7
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 12:05 AM
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And taking a walk down memory lane here I ran across this.. under one of Saskins dual air forced induction threads

DRBIII has a function that will allow you to do a dyno run on the Crossfire and over-ride the limiter as well as other parameters (not sure too many techs are aware of this function). There are some software programs that will allow you to do the rest.. Not sure if there are licensing (hacking) issues with the other software, so I'm not willing to share that info...You can rent a DRBIII if you don't already own it...
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 12:06 AM
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Im gonna guess right around the 300 mark.
Say 302.7.
I would be willing to bet this little motor has a lot to give, even with lower boost pressures.
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MoparFreak69
Im gonna guess right around the 300 mark.
Say 302.7.
I would be willing to bet this little motor has a lot to give, even with lower boost pressures.
I'm guessing 317.99
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
I think John had plans of delivering his car with it.
Confirmed.

And just to keep the terminology straight:

Airbox = Silver OEM piece
Cover = Black plastic w/ open hole in center that nestles between manifold runners

The idea was, the charge pipe would come up from the rear, up the RH floor-pan, into a FMIC (entry on the bottom, U-turn and exit on the top, much like the SRT heat exchanger) and once the intercooled pipe made its way into the engine bay (same entry point as NW single) mandrel-bend a pipe to fit snugly against the E-320/ML-320 cover, and make its obligatory 90° turn into the manifold. The OEM airbox was never to be retained.

And honestly, the cover was only mentioned because the EGI harnesses look like azz on top of the manifold with the airbox removed. Many people run the plastic cover with the single Needswings... it looks good but the NW pipe is too far away from the cavity to look truly OEM. So, it's a swing and a chip-shot, not quite a miss but no home run either.

All moot though because my white car met an untimely death... or perhaps it was divine intervention? I originally volunteered my car with anticipation of a 8-10 week development time. Not having my car for the last five months would have put a huge hardship on me and Kim. I'm thankful I'm in the SRT.

So, it was meant to be that DJ was first, since he only has three Crossfires
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 01:51 AM
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I'm going with 300 even! It looks like We're almost home now.
 
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Old 07-10-2012 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
.....The idea was, the charge pipe would come up from the rear, up the RH floor-pan, into a FMIC (entry on the bottom, U-turn and exit on the top, much like the SRT heat exchanger) and once the intercooled pipe made its way into the engine bay (same entry point as NW single) mandrel-bend a pipe to fit snugly against the E-320/ML-320 cover, and make its obligatory 90° turn into the manifold. The OEM airbox was never to be retained.

This was my understanding as well... Of all the things that were initially communicated, Im curious as to what is still going to happen and what isnt....

btw.... to those who think were going to acheive 300 at the wheels from the boost pressure were talking about... not very likely. Originally it was about 100 as an ideal estimate. So from stock about 280 ish........ 300 is wishful thinking... Maybe our internals are better than what was originally thought up and Corky feels it safe to jump up to 10 psi??? maybe... who knows.
 



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