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Old 02-23-2012 | 01:16 AM
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I do not miss the 1-2 shift at all.

1st gear was just enough to get you out of a parking spot. 2nd gear was too steep to launch in.

So, that meant you normally got murdered on the launch.

Once in 2nd, it was my favorite transmission ever. Shifted like butter -- firm butter -- all the way to 160.
 
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Old 02-23-2012 | 10:37 AM
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3rd is by far the best and my fav but I do not have any troubles with 1-2 after getting used to it. I got my 04 with 20k on it and I had the pop out happen a hand full of times in the 20-40k range (even with a dec build date) but im almost at 70k now and never happened again. The best suggestion I can give is to pull down with pressure to the left (kind of like a 5-4 downshift).
 
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Old 02-23-2012 | 10:51 AM
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My problem when I first bought the car was that I was shifting light but still a bit too hard. It likes that sweet spot shift. Either 2 clunk real soft or slammed. Thats the only way my car likes it, naturally I shift real soft 99% or the time.
 
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Old 02-23-2012 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
I do not miss the 1-2 shift at all.

1st gear was just enough to get you out of a parking spot. 2nd gear was too steep to launch in.

So, that meant you normally got murdered on the launch.

Once in 2nd, it was my favorite transmission ever. Shifted like butter -- firm butter -- all the way to 160.
1st was OK to plod along in stop and go traffic with the clutch out I found and that was about it. Six gears was really too many, five would have been fine. With a higher first gear, somewhere between the 1st and 2nd, and the next three stretched out between the top gear, it would have been better.
Third gear was the best gear to get moving in once you got going, lots of fun.
 
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Old 02-29-2012 | 03:06 PM
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Still saving some pennies. Any new info, getting excited to hear about the progress after that last update?
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 03:27 PM
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Has there been any word as to what make and size of turbo will be used?

Will there be an intercooler? if so what make/size?

Also, if we want to run at more than 6-7 pounds of boost (say, 12-13), would we be able to easily adjust boost levels?

Will a boost gauge be included in the kit?
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 03:32 PM
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Has there been any word as to what make and size of turbo will be used?

Will there be an intercooler? if so what make/size?

Also, if we want to run at more than 6-7 pounds of boost (say, 12-13), would we be able to easily adjust boost levels?

Will a boost gauge be included in the kit?
the kit is still in R & D phase. Maybe a month or so more until we have the first xfire with this set up blazing down the road.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by frankeyser
the kit is still in R & D phase. Maybe a month or so more until we have the first xfire with this set up blazing down the road.
I understand that it's still in the R&D phase, but I still think a few of my questions could be answered.

Most importantly, will the kit have an intercooler?

And as for turbo selection, I am curious what sized turbos were being considered, and if we would have the option of putting another model of turbo instead.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 05:07 PM
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I understand that it's still in the R&D phase, but I still think a few of my questions could be answered.

Most importantly, will the kit have an intercooler?

And as for turbo selection, I am curious what sized turbos were being considered, and if we would have the option of putting another model of turbo instead.
From the email in the very first post
" Intercooling will be employed and it appears the classic front mounting has plenty of space available. Power cares not where the turbo lies, but response might. That may require fine tuning the turbo sizes somewhat more extensively than a more standard layout."

As far as using another turbo that would be up to you after the fact I assume. The size will depend on many factors, chances are your going to have to give and take if you Change size. (more lag for more boost etc.)
 

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Old 03-02-2012 | 05:16 PM
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Just an FYI for you turbo guys, I have a 28k mile SRT6 short block FS in the commercial section, perfect upgrade to run big boost on your turbo setup, also an SRT6 ECU. Better to plan ahead sooner than later.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 05:46 PM
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Just an FYI for you turbo guys, I have a 28k mile SRT6 short block FS in the commercial section, perfect upgrade to run big boost on your turbo setup, also an SRT6 ECU. Better to plan ahead sooner than later.
I did plan ahead.. I planned on Corkie making a solid, reliable system!


 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 06:06 PM
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I did plan ahead.. I planned on Corkie making a solid, reliable system!


That's nice, but my post had nothing to do with any inclination it was not going to be reliable. I hope he builds the most bang up system ever, with plenty of extra capacity. Why? Boost is addictive. If you are going to be happy with the 5-7 lbs it comes set at, your engine will last a long time. But, if the owner is going to want to crank up the wick and play with the big dogs, well better to look into a forged rotating assembly now before demand and price goes up. That is the meaning of plan ahead.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMoPar
That's nice, but my post had nothing to do with any inclination it was not going to be reliable. I hope he builds the most bang up system ever, with plenty of extra capacity. Why? Boost is addictive. If you are going to be happy with the 5-7 lbs it comes set at, your engine will last a long time. But, if the owner is going to want to crank up the wick and play with the big dogs, well better to look into a forged rotating assembly now before demand and price goes up. That is the meaning of plan ahead.
man I wish I could get that srt6 short block from you.. But with the cost of this, the cost of the other parts I will be snagging from you, I just can not swing it at the moment.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMoPar
That's nice, but my post had nothing to do with any inclination it was not going to be reliable. I hope he builds the most bang up system ever, with plenty of extra capacity. Why? Boost is addictive. If you are going to be happy with the 5-7 lbs it comes set at, your engine will last a long time. But, if the owner is going to want to crank up the wick and play with the big dogs, well better to look into a forged rotating assembly now before demand and price goes up. That is the meaning of plan ahead.
Big Dogs? Like these?

0-60 and 1/4 mile times listed

1996-2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 2.3 9.52
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.7
2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.7 11.7

Working with a guy that races and plays with 10 grand motors makes "Big dog" a relative term.

Streetability and reliability is probably what most in here (turbo land) are looking for.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 08:10 PM
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Big Dogs? Like these?

0-60 and 1/4 mile times listed

1996-2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 2.3 9.52
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.7
2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.7 11.7

Working with a guy that races and plays with 10 grand motors makes "Big dog" a relative term.

Streetability and reliability is probably what most in here (turbo land) are looking for.
MrMopar is just saying if you plan on taking the car past the level the kit provides you are going to want at getting some beefier parts in the puppy. I for one would love to grab the block so that I could increase the boost past what our NA engine is going to be able to handle. But I think if it comes down to that later on I will also be going the rotrex route. I will see how this kit works out.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 08:18 PM
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MrMopar is just saying if you plan on taking the car past the level the kit provides you are going to want at getting some beefier parts in the puppy. I for one would love to grab the block so that I could increase the boost past what our NA engine is going to be able to handle. But I think if it comes down to that later on I will also be going the rotrex route. I will see how this kit works out.
Personally.. if I wanted SRT performance and beyond.. I'd take the turbo money and title to my NA and go find and SRT. Unless you just love wrenching on your car and have 100 dollar bills to light cigars with..
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 09:10 PM
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Personally.. if I wanted SRT performance and beyond.. I'd take the turbo money and title to my NA and go find and SRT. Unless you just love wrenching on your car and have 100 dollar bills to light cigars with..
HAHA or like me and some others like lahatantx you prefer to build it and have something different than to just buy it. Or do not want to start from scratch on a new car. After this kit I will have somewhere around 9-11k dropped into the car on top of what I paid for it. It still will not be as fast as an SRT and I still wont have it just how i want it. Like most of my project cars, I wont be done with it until I sell it.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 09:11 PM
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I guess you can say I am and will always be a fan of frankenstien cars haha.
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 09:17 PM
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I've heard of guys like you.. LOL.. I've got a Harley to fill my free time..
 
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Old 03-02-2012 | 09:18 PM
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I sure hope this project goes well. I am interested in doing this to mine. I'm not looking to be as fast as the SRT's. just to be able to keep them in sight will be a huge improvement. Not to mention how fun a car to drive with substantional more horsepower and a six speed. Keep up the work to those involved and keep us up to speed on the progress. Thanks for your efforts
 



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