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Old 11-27-2011 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
just tried a t30. no way it fits.
Maybe not now, but it sure fits my Crossfires. I did not think it did at first but then it slipped in just right, it's tough to poke at it blindly though. I measured the extended T-30 bit and a standard bit and they both measured the same size within a thou or so, so its not crappy tool standards.


When I saw T-27 I thought that it did not sound right, I back checked my post to Montana and then confirmed by fitting it in my cars.

Maybe others will pipe up, Montana was OK with the size as well. Well I tried to help. Sorry.
 

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Old 11-27-2011 | 10:05 PM
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Maybe, but it sure fits my Crossfires. I did not think it did at first but then it slipped in just right, it's tough to poke at it blindly though. I measured the extended T-30 bit and a standard bit and they both measured the same size within a thou or so, so its not crappy tool standards.


When I saw T-27 I thought that it did not sound right, I back checked my post to Montana and then confirmed by fitting it in my cars.

Maybe others will pipe up, Montana was OK with the size as well. Well I tried to help. Sorry.
and i appreciate the help. i have another L shaped 30 torx ill try monday. would be easier if i could see it but as you said its a blind area

how about a pic of the t30 you use?
 
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Old 11-27-2011 | 10:10 PM
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I'm confident you will resolve this issue but was just following along and noticed the review of these extractors.
Good luck with the fix.

Originally Posted by 32krazy!
if you stick your finger into the back of your steering wheel you will realize what I'm up against.
recessed at least 3" and zero space for ez out or anything bigger than the shaft of the torx bit.
Originally Posted by James1549
Over the years, I have most success with a set of extractors like these:
Amazon.com: Irwin Industrial Tool 53227 Hex Head Multi-Spline Extractor Set, 25-Piece: Home Improvement
The right size will fit in the hole and grab ahold. The bottom of the extractor is flat so you don't need a deep hole for it to grab.
customer reviews
Note that these are relatively short,
so if the bolt/nipple is more than 1/4" below the surface, these might be too short and you may need to use
a numbered spiral remover, but these have more grip because they have
many more splines than a spiral remover
 
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Old 11-27-2011 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
and i appreciate the help. i have another L shaped 30 torx ill try monday. would be easier if i could see it but as you said its a blind area

how about a pic of the t30 you use?
Here they are.
I could not get them lined up exactly the black tool wants to stand up a bit, but as I say they are the same across the lobes within a thou or two.


 
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Old 11-27-2011 | 11:48 PM
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Before I pull out the heavy equipment-hammers, drills, etc- and risking some pretty and expensive parts I suggest you consider pulling the wheel and shaft assembly to get a better look. I have no idea what this would encounter but should be considered.

As for the 27 or 30 size thing. Been there and done that and it about drove me nuts. Had to put a both size screws and both size wrenches in my hand and test them. Seeing was believing.
 
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Old 11-27-2011 | 11:49 PM
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The ONLY possible way I can imagine the T30 working on certain wheels is a variation in suppliers... I work directly with SCM/parts supply @ Nissan and this crap happens all the time.

As Steve said, I've had my wheel on and off the old car a half dozen times, each time using the T27 and never had the first round-out issue, the fit is as tight as you can get with zero wiggle room within the head of the screw. I was able to secure the bolts strong enough after all those removals/installations to keep the airbag secure when it deployed in my crash... Rudy confirmed to me that it's T27, as did LantanaTX. Both have removed/swapped their steering wheels.

T30 simply won't fit, won't get a bite. I just tried a T30 on the bolts on my OEM steering wheel from the last Crossfire and it ain't happenin'...
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by arejohn
Before I pull out the heavy equipment-hammers, drills, etc- and risking some pretty and expensive parts I suggest you consider pulling the wheel and shaft assembly to get a better look. I have no idea what this would encounter but should be considered.

As for the 27 or 30 size thing. Been there and done that and it about drove me nuts. Had to put a both size screws and both size wrenches in my hand and test them. Seeing was believing.
OK, what was the verdict T-27 or T-30?
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by arejohn
Before I pull out the heavy equipment-hammers, drills, etc- and risking some pretty and expensive parts I suggest you consider pulling the wheel and shaft assembly to get a better look. I have no idea what this would encounter but should be considered.

As for the 27 or 30 size thing. Been there and done that and it about drove me nuts. Had to put a both size screws and both size wrenches in my hand and test them. Seeing was believing.
if i could pull the wheel this entire thread would be a non issue. you have to remove the airbag torx bolts to get to the center nut that holds the wheel on. i think before i pull the entire steering column ill leave the mod unfinished
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JHM2K
The ONLY possible way I can imagine the T30 working on certain wheels is a variation in suppliers... I work directly with SCM/parts supply @ Nissan and this crap happens all the time.

As Steve said, I've had my wheel on and off the old car a half dozen times, each time using the T27 and never had the first round-out issue, the fit is as tight as you can get with zero wiggle room within the head of the screw. I was able to secure the bolts strong enough after all those removals/installations to keep the airbag secure when it deployed in my crash... Rudy confirmed to me that it's T27, as did LantanaTX. Both have removed/swapped their steering wheels.

T30 simply won't fit, won't get a bite. I just tried a T30 on the bolts on my OEM steering wheel from the last Crossfire and it ain't happenin'...
John, you had the screws in your hand I take it, but if you put a T-27 bit in a T-30 screw it would fit loosely but would roll the lobes very easily if any real force was applied and I think that is what happened here.
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
John, you had the screws in your hand I take it, but if you put a T-27 bit in a T-30 screw it would fit loosely but would roll the lobes very easily if any real force was applied and I think that is what happened here.
The T-handle set that Steve is using is the one I bought when I installed the Startech wheel. IIRC there's a T-30 in there...

It stands to reason that if the T-27 is rounding, the T-30 with its wider bit should get a better bite. Worth a shot, if it doesn't fit at all then we've lost nothing and we're back where we started.
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 11:15 AM
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I think MikeR is on the right track. I was thinking of putting a dab on the end of the torqx bit, taping the shaft in place letting it set up ,then take it out. I've had to do this before. You could enen try a piece of paper or tape over the bit end to take up the slack and see if that works. Are you actuaaly sure the bit is lined up with the screw, could be at a slight angle and cause bit to not go into the screw straight.
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 06:35 PM
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I almost messed mine up because I didn't read that it was a torx... started to strip it with a hex. Thank god I realized and got it out/in with the proper Torx. Also, the screws are held in with a retainer, not sure how easy it will be to swap in a new bolt after you drill it out...

Steve, I'm truely starting to believe you should not be allowed to own tools or work on your own car... lol
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 06:54 PM
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Hope this video helps. Oh, and that cam sensor should be the same for a the n/a or s/c This one is very easy to replace. It is right on the front of the head, much easier to do than the crank sensor.

How to extract a stripped torx screw - YouTube
 
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Old 11-28-2011 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
Hope this video helps. Oh, and that cam sensor should be the same for a the n/a or s/c This one is very easy to replace. It is right on the front of the head, much easier to do than the crank sensor.

How to extract a stripped torx screw - YouTube
that would be awesome if the extractor was longer. needs to be approx 4" long to fit into the hole in the steering wheel. taking a day or 2 away looking for alternative ways to get this torx out then john and i will rip that biatch outa there!!

as for the cam sensor its only easy if you dont have the n/w psk!! stupid pulley is directly in front of the sensor. sooo... gotta remove the entire kit and belt to gat at the sensor! doh!
 
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Old 12-03-2011 | 06:20 PM
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seems the cps code was a loose wire in zeitronix setup. no big deal. still havent figured out how im going to remove the bolt. have a few ideas but moving slow on this. just to clarify this has nothing to do with the paddle mod! could have been removing the wheel to put another wheel on and run into the same issue.
 
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Old 12-03-2011 | 06:24 PM
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One done...one to go.
Patiently waiting to see how you resolve this issue before I tackle the steering wheel removal. Good luck.
 
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Old 12-03-2011 | 06:35 PM
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One done...one to go.
Patiently waiting to see how you resolve this issue before I tackle the steering wheel removal. Good luck.
im just not convinced the bolt is stripped. i cant seem to get either side to bite with the torx t handle. i havent exerted enough pressure to strip the torx. i never had the feeling it was seated to begin with. and having no way to see the head of the torx bolt i cant verify it is stripped. so i have decided to use patience and research instead of blindly wailing away at it. if you put the tool in and feel it bite you should have no issues doing the mod. chris's directions are top shelf and i dont know of anyone else who had a problem. this is self inflicted without a doubt!
 
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Old 12-03-2011 | 06:44 PM
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Have you tried putting a strong magnet up to the bolt opening at the back of the steering wheel to see how much metal filings come out? Might give you an indication of how badly the head may be stripped. Just a thought.
 
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Old 12-03-2011 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SparkieSRT6
Have you tried putting a strong magnet up to the bolt opening at the back of the steering wheel to see how much metal filings come out? Might give you an indication of how badly the head may be stripped. Just a thought.
Make sure the magnet is longer than the hole is deep or you may be asking how to get a magnet out of a hole.
If you could think of something that is soft when warm and stick it into the hole and make an impression of the socket you might learn something.
 

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Old 12-03-2011 | 08:04 PM
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How about a small mirror and flashlight to look in there????
 


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