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Old 07-20-2011 | 08:49 AM
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This appears to be the SL 55 AMG pump:

New TI / Walbro Twin-screw Fuel Pump - TurboBuick.Com

This is either the TI-Walbro version of the pump or its the TI-Pierburg pump repackaged (TI owns both).

If so, its a good price.
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 01:59 PM
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I will check this out...thanks...for that price, even if doesn't work, I'm not out much
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:08 PM
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Why it's a mini screw compressor! Quick, mount some at the ends of the intakes LOL!
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:10 PM
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just like the oil pump on my Harley...it's always screwin' around..
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
I will check this out...thanks...for that price, even if doesn't work, I'm not out much
Would hate to see you waste your time, if not the $$$. It is a good price though, compaired to what I paid.
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:30 PM
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Would hate to see you waste your time, if not the $$$. It is a good price though, compaired to what I paid.
So what your saying is that this doesn't work or help any, correct?
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:41 PM
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So what your saying is that this doesn't work or help any, correct?
Well, what I'm saying is, if buying this pump or any other pump to resolve our type of leaning issue will not work.

I think we are on the same wave length.
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:44 PM
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Spill the beans man, there's only so many of us with these cars.
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 02:50 PM
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You need ot consider that the rail pressure needs to be about 60 psig to feed the injectors. Just saying Woody
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 05:58 PM
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Well, what I'm saying is, if buying this pump or any other pump to resolve our type of leaning issue will not work.

I think we are on the same wave length.
i think bulldogger and slkgermany would disagree with you
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 06:18 PM
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I think this pump would be more efficient in the long run...not after HP per se...more reliable pump...
 
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Old 07-20-2011 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
i think bulldogger and slkgermany would disagree with you
I have done what they said (install SL55 pump), they have not done what I asked ( provide max boost level and corresponding a/f).

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Old 07-20-2011 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
I think this pump would be more efficient in the long run...not after HP per se...more reliable pump...
That works Doc, just didn't want you to buy it for the wrong reason.

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Old 07-20-2011 | 07:51 PM
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I appreciate that...but, both cars have some miles on them, so a new pump, especially this one at that price isn't a bank breaker...would be a good upgrade...not looking for anything else...
 
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Old 07-21-2011 | 08:15 AM
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If you want to replace it because you feel you may have a fuel supply volume problem, you can determine this by connecting a fuel pressure gauge to the rail and attaching it (duct tape works lol) to the windshield. This way you can monitor fuel pressure from the cockpit under worst demand (WOT) conditions and look for fuel pressure dropping below the regulator set point (even if you've modified that).
 
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Old 07-21-2011 | 09:58 AM
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I have a pressure sensor on my fuel rail and a Zeitronix/Dashdaq to monitor fuel pressure.... mine is adjusted(NW fuel kit) to 62psi and at WOT I see the rail pressure drop to about 48psi while sucking down gas..very interesting to look a the data log of the fuel pressure across a run....
 
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Old 07-21-2011 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeR
I have a pressure sensor on my fuel rail and a Zeitronix/Dashdaq to monitor fuel pressure.... mine is adjusted(NW fuel kit) to 62psi and at WOT I see the rail pressure drop to about 48psi while sucking down gas..very interesting to look a the data log of the fuel pressure across a run....
What do your AFR's look like when it drops?

Sounds like you may have a fuel supply issue...the pump isn't keeping up with the demand. The regulator tries to maintain pressure by returning excess fuel back to the tank. When there is no excess, the regulator is closed off and the total volume of fuel is going out the injectors. When the injectors flow more fuel than the pump is supplying, pressure drops.

These constant-power pumps will supply more fuel volume at lower pressures, since it is fighting less against the head pressure. A possible solution (if lean) would be to lower the pressure, and increase injector pulse-width at WOT if possible. Unless there is no more inj pw and they are static, then the solution is more pressure (and possibly bigger pump).

Dropping fuel pressure is not always an issue. When the pressure is high at low-demand conditions, the PCM just dials back inj pw. At WOT, if inj pw is large enough and fuel pressure drops to a level sufficient enough to maintain AFR, then it's ok. However, almost always, there is no safety margin if the need for more fuel (hot day, bad gas, high boost, etc) suddenly arises.
 

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Old 07-21-2011 | 03:51 PM
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Ive done lots of testing and adjusted my rail from 40 to 80+ PGIG. If your lean, jack up the rail pressure a few pounds. I got the fuel controller working with the Zeitronix open loop pressure controller and solved any leaning tendancy. The increasing boost pressure limits the EFFECTIVE pressure across the injector pintel reducing your fuel DELIVERY when you need it most. THis is why I cautioned that the pump must be rated to OPERATE at about 60 or a bit better. Wooody
 
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Old 07-21-2011 | 04:09 PM
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I have the NW fuel kit with the Walbro pump and AEM FPR.... my AFR's are running between 11.3 - 12.3 at WOT after the EC re-tune last month and adjusting the fuel pressure... no leaning problems at all....
 
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Old 07-22-2011 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by waldig
THis is why I cautioned that the pump must be rated to OPERATE at about 60 or a bit better. Wooody
That's the key. Lots of pressure at low fuel demand conditions doesn't really mean much. Maintaining the set pressure at large (or static) injector pulsewidths at these demanding operating conditions verifies that pump capacity is sufficient.
 


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