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Old 04-06-2010 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BlUEMDsrt6
Yeah man, its crazy how no "traditional" mod seems to work on these cars. No torque converter, gearing change, or anything else for that matter seems to get passed some electronical nanny so ever present on these cars. Merecedes is great engineering for people who have zero interest in going much faster than the factory car was made to do. How can you explain a 2 door coupe thats relativiley light weight, 3.2 liter v6, forced induction, forged internals, and rear wheel drive cant break the high 11's low 12's mark without nitrous, its insane really, it defies logic. My rant is over, I got it off my chest.
have you tried a torque convertor? e/c has 1 that supposed to cut .5 of the clock. its something only a few have tried
 
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Old 04-06-2010 | 08:16 PM
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yes, 11's were not easy, it takes a lot of work and dialing everything in. without looking at dragtimes im guessing there are only 5-6 guys that have done it. yes the fuel system has been holding us back. once the boost goes to 20psi the fuel tables go bad and the cars go lean. that has made running a large pulley without addressing this a losing situation. in fact i dont think anyone running a large pulley has broken into the 11's other then jeff. jeff is a different scenario though as he was willing to do things most owners would not with the amount of work he put into that car.

so back to the topic, yes we have the lean issue solved and tested up to 22psi and it "should" still work up to 25psi but the issue we are seeing is that we are running too rich on the low end. this is being addressed now and is almost ready but i don't want to put out a "not finished" kit. a few other customers have the same setup on their srt6's so far and it has surely solved the problem of the lean issue, just a little more fine tuning is needed to get the right combo of base fuel pressure and triggered fuel pressure.

for paul, yes i have no doubt that he will break into the 11's very soon. we are progressing in the right direction and i am very appreciative of all his track data.

i do not believe that the srt6 platform has hit a brick wall at 12 flat, no way. we have now opened the door on the fuel system and are ready to go fast!
 
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Old 04-06-2010 | 08:36 PM
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what qualifies as a big pulley??/
 
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Old 04-06-2010 | 09:12 PM
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what qualifies as a big pulley??/
that's what she said.
 
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Old 04-06-2010 | 09:21 PM
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find out if he changed the rear end ratio, if yes how? did he get the tcu to work also what ratio is he running? jim ps have him send me a email amx1397@comcast.net.
Just talked to Ahmad, he still has the stock rear end with a Quaiffe LSD. So 3.82.
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 07:21 AM
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Does anyone know what the gear ratio is in a amg 32 is it the same as ours?
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
have you tried a torque convertor? e/c has 1 that supposed to cut .5 of the clock. its something only a few have tried
If anybody can prove it takes .5 off our 1/4 times, I will buy it. Heck, if it would shave .25 off our times I'd buy it.I really haven't read much about it since its initial introduction.
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 09:17 AM
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Has anyone even got a t/q converter?
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 09:28 AM
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Has anyone even got a t/q converter?
Bryan (ImportLabSRT) has one on his Turbo SRT though i don't know if he has been down the track with it yet. I know for his turbo he was thinking the addition of the HSTC would allow him to build significantly higher boost off the line compared to the stock torque converter.
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAHANMA
Just talked to Ahmad, he still has the stock rear end with a Quaiffe LSD. So 3.82.
could you ask him to pm me ,,,with his phone # so i can talk to him. thanks jim
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 11:50 AM
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could you ask him to pm me ,,,with his phone # so i can talk to him. thanks jim
Same S/N on MBworld?
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 11:52 PM
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I can understand having one in his turbo, but I wonder if anyone has one in a standard SRT, I think it'l just create alot more wheel spin lol
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kolevski
I can understand having one in his turbo, but I wonder if anyone has one in a standard SRT, I think it'l just create alot more wheel spin lol
I am pretty sure that I could stick a very hard launch with that gear with my 16/255/50 MT ET Streets. Those tires grip like a bulldog on a pork chop.
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 12:06 AM
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I am pretty sure that I could stick a very hard launch with that gear with my 16/255/50 MT ET Streets. Those tires grip like a bulldog on a pork chop.
Then you run the risk of snapping your diff

It may be good for the track but different story on the street, I wish there was someone with one installed to give us some feedback
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeR
what qualifies as a big pulley??/
larger then a 178mm
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NeedsWings
yes, 11's were not easy, it takes a lot of work and dialing everything in. without looking at dragtimes im guessing there are only 5-6 guys that have done it. yes the fuel system has been holding us back. once the boost goes to 20psi the fuel tables go bad and the cars go lean. that has made running a large pulley without addressing this a losing situation. in fact i dont think anyone running a large pulley has broken into the 11's other then jeff. jeff is a different scenario though as he was willing to do things most owners would not with the amount of work he put into that car.

so back to the topic, yes we have the lean issue solved and tested up to 22psi and it "should" still work up to 25psi but the issue we are seeing is that we are running too rich on the low end. this is being addressed now and is almost ready but i don't want to put out a "not finished" kit. a few other customers have the same setup on their srt6's so far and it has surely solved the problem of the lean issue, just a little more fine tuning is needed to get the right combo of base fuel pressure and triggered fuel pressure.

for paul, yes i have no doubt that he will break into the 11's very soon. we are progressing in the right direction and i am very appreciative of all his track data.

i do not believe that the srt6 platform has hit a brick wall at 12 flat, no way. we have now opened the door on the fuel system and are ready to go fast!
Rob developed the 11 sec parts and tune package 2 years ago. It's still a simple setup and if he doesn't sell it then it's not the safest and best for the SRT6. I asked Rob way back for the safest and reliable setup that will get me in the 11's, and he delivered. I have nearly 400 passes at the track and zero problems with leaning, pullies, belt slip, trans, rear end, etc... only problem is the 3 sets of hoosiers and 1 set of Mickey T's that I've used. Needswings and InMotion should be the only ones to consider if your modding your car. Unless you want to be different and in the 12's.

Back to incognito status until someone hit's 11.7's without spray.
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
Rob developed the 11 sec parts and tune package 2 years ago. It's still a simple setup and if he doesn't sell it then it's not the safest and best for the SRT6. I asked Rob way back for the safest and reliable setup that will get me in the 11's, and he delivered. I have nearly 400 passes at the track and zero problems with leaning, pullies, belt slip, trans, rear end, etc... only problem is the 3 sets of hoosiers and 1 set of Mickey T's that I've used. Needswings and InMotion should be the only ones to consider if your modding your car. Unless you want to be different and in the 12's.

Back to incognito status until someone hit's 11.7's without spray.
And may I ask what your running? If its only Needswings and Inmotion I'm assuming pulley, tune and intake? because if thats the case everyone else has that and there still running 12's lol
 
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Old 04-08-2010 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
Rob developed the 11 sec parts and tune package 2 years ago. It's still a simple setup and if he doesn't sell it then it's not the safest and best for the SRT6. I asked Rob way back for the safest and reliable setup that will get me in the 11's, and he delivered. I have nearly 400 passes at the track and zero problems with leaning, pullies, belt slip, trans, rear end, etc... only problem is the 3 sets of hoosiers and 1 set of Mickey T's that I've used. Needswings and InMotion should be the only ones to consider if your modding your car. Unless you want to be different and in the 12's.

Back to incognito status until someone hit's 11.7's without spray.
Cruzin, welcome back bro~

The whole point of this thread is that Xray has every Needswing part known to man and then some including the inmotion tune and is still stuck in the 12s. (Should be DEEP into the 11s imo)

I think that most of our cars are at the point where no gains will be had until you start fixing the fuel issues. Those of us that do not live in the desert at 3000 feet are going lean with less mods than you have.
 
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Old 04-09-2010 | 06:12 AM
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Cruzin, welcome back bro~

The whole point of this thread is that Xray has every Needswing part known to man and then some including the inmotion tune and is still stuck in the 12s. (Should be DEEP into the 11s imo)

I think that most of our cars are at the point where no gains will be had until you start fixing the fuel issues. Those of us that do not live in the desert at 3000 feet are going lean with less mods than you have.
Except he has the LET 181 and not an ASP 178 which has no fueling issues. Also who knows what damage running lean may have caused. Many of you are running WOT while being lean, over and over while trying to fix the issue. That can't be good. Bigger is not always better. Just look over on Mbworld and see all the problems the E55 guys are running into pushing the envelope. There's a safe way and there's a cheaper way.

My point was don't take away or add to what Rob set out and you will be in the 11's. Even easier if your not at 3000'. Remember I traveled to Famoso which has the track at approx 635' with DA around 1600' that day and still didn't lean. At famoso ran 11.89 with a single NW cai that were the original ones that weren't teflon coated. The same with the mani's. I sent the mani's back and upgraded to the dual NW cai that were teflon coated and ran 11.86 here in AZ. That DA was closer to 1400', and still way safe and way, way below the AFR's the other tuner tuned cars were posting and without meth or nos. Members have tried the SL55 intake, SC pulley, copy cat mani's, cheap DR's, and other stuff that didn't work. I know it's boring to not be original, but if getting to 11's is the goal then don't reinvent the wheel. It just takes money. For those that don't have the money then do what my buddy with a black SRT6 did. Here is what he has ASP 178, single NW, InMotion tune, Hoosiers and 30 shot of Nos gets him 11.7's regularly. Now both of us can drive, so that makes a difference. Practice before running all out for safety sake.

I am due to run at Sacramento for the division finals this September. I fully expect close to sea level DA, then I can put this leaning to rest and hopefully crack 11.7's or maybe 11.6's.

Most important if any of you are going to mod, make the Zeitronix Zt-2 your first investment. Protect your motor because not everyone will.

I'll check back in after Sac and give an update.
 

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Old 04-09-2010 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
Except he has the LET 181 and not an ASP 178 which has no fueling issues. Also who knows what damage running lean may have caused. Many of you are running WOT while being lean, over and over while trying to fix the issue. That can't be good. Bigger is not always better. Just look over on Mbworld and see all the problems the E55 guys are running into pushing the envelope. There's a safe way and there's a cheaper way.

My point was don't take away or add to what Rob set out and you will be in the 11's. Even easier if your not at 3000'. Remember I traveled to Famoso which has the track at approx 635' with DA around 1600' that day and still didn't lean. At famoso ran 11.89 with a single NW cai that were the original ones that weren't teflon coated. The same with the mani's. I sent the mani's back and upgraded to the dual NW cai that were teflon coated and ran 11.86 here in AZ. That DA was closer to 1400', and still way safe and way, way below the AFR's the other tuner tuned cars were posting and without meth or nos. Members have tried the SL55 intake, SC pulley, copy cat mani's, cheap DR's, and other stuff that didn't work. I know it's boring to not be original, but if getting to 11's is the goal then don't reinvent the wheel. It just takes money. For those that don't have the money then do what my buddy with a black SRT6 did. Here is what he has ASP 178, single NW, InMotion tune, Hoosiers and 30 shot of Nos gets him 11.7's regularly. Now both of us can drive, so that makes a difference. Practice before running all out for safety sake.

I am due to run at Sacramento for the division finals this September. I fully expect close to sea level DA, then I can put this leaning to rest and hopefully crack 11.7's or maybe 11.6's.

Most important if any of you are going to mod, make the Zeitronix Zt-2 your first investment. Protect your motor because not everyone will.

I'll check back in after Sac and give an update.
What is your max boost and what are your a/f reflecting?
 


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