Hmmm, well I'm not sure which part you don't get. I flew past a 2000 Vette in freakin 350Z. Maybe it was the driver, but when I made that comment, I was saying that top-end speed doesn't make that much difference to me. I'm worried about the acceleration. I never go the governed speed, so I spend my time blowing past inexperienced drivers in their cushy luxury sports car that daddy gave them. Those are just my thoughts though.

 

from employee news:

Crossfire SRT-6 to debut in Geneva
The Crossfire SRT-6 is the first Chrysler brand vehicle with an SRT (Street and Racing Technology) badge. It also will be the first SRT vehicle available outside North America. The Chrysler Group will present the 2005 Crossfire SRT-6 at the Geneva auto show on March 2. Unlike the Dodge SRT vehicles, which have bold looks and extreme performance, the Chrysler SRT vehicles will be understated and feature refined performance. The Crossfire SRT-6 is equipped with a hand-built 330-horsepower 3.2-liter supercharged V-6 with 310 lb.-ft. of torque. The engine is teamed to an upgraded five-speed automatic transmission with Auto Stick. The Crossfire SRT-6 will accelerate from 0-60 mph in just 5 seconds. The top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph. For optimal performance, the Crossfire SRT-6 will have a sport-tuned suspension with increased spring rates and performance-tuned damping, and ultra high performance Michelin Pilot Sport tires. The body of the Crossfire is enhanced with a fixed rear spoiler and a front fascia chin spoiler. Pearl nappa leather sport seats with suede inserts and bolsters, and embroidered gSRT-6h on the head restraints provide the sporty look.
The Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 will be the first SRT-branded vehicle available in Europe.

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see my album for a pic...

 

No offense but the difference in acceleration between a car like the 350Z that traps in the 1/4 mile around 100 MPH and a car that traps at 109 MPH like a 2000 Corvette is huge. It equates to the 109 MPH trapping car crushing the 100 MPH trapping car by numerous car lengths by the 1/4 mile marker. There is no way that the Corvette driver was attempting to race you. While you were 'blowing past' him he was likely having a Sunday drive and didn't notice or didn't care that you chose to go faster. I have a C32 AMG that has been rated by one Auto mag at 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the 1.4 mile in 13.0@107 MPH (much faster than a 350Z). I've raced a C5 vette and he got me by a car length to around 75 MPH. A 350Z would be a bus length in back of my C32 at that point. Its not that hard to change gears. A marginal driver in a 2000 Vette could beat anybody in a stock 350Z if they wanted to. To put the gap in performance into perspective, please consider that highly modded supercharged 350Zs are barely in the stock C5 vette performance realm. That is with an extra 70-100 or so RWHP over the stock 350Z.

 

I have to agree with Accomplice. His C32 is probably governed to 155 mph too. Most of the German cars are (the "Gentlemen's Agreement" in Germany). Heck, even the SL55 is. And that costs over $120,000! AMG will remove the speed limiter in Germany, but only after the customer signs a waiver. An ungoverned SL55 can go close to 185 mph.

The only manufacter that does not govern their cars is Porsche. Oh, and I think that the new SLR also runs free. Then again, it was developed by McClaren.

For me, it doesn't matter what the top speed is, it's how you get there. I think that I read somewhere that the SLK 32 could go around 170 mph, if released. So the same could be said for the SRT-6. At least you can take some pride in that. :D

 

:P but seriously, what an ugly looking piece of kit. Last night I mentioned on the board that the Crossfire doesn't need gimmicks added to it like the Ricer cars - it's a classic in its own right, I mean DC themselves called it a rolling piece of art or something and now this..............some cretin comes up with this for the high performance version, completeley destroying the lines :shock: They should fire the a..hole now and get it right before they become the laughing stock of the Geneva motorshow.....it's embarrasing that "standard" Crossfires in all their beauty may become associated with this "boy racer" add on :lol:
Still my choice of which car to purchase is now soooo easy and probably less expensive - a "standard" Crossfire.
If they can't shift enough Crossfires as they are, they certainly are'nt going to win over customers with the SRT-6
It would be nice ( but wishful) thinking that someone at DC reads the forum because they'll get rapid feed-back from enthusiasts who really care about the car.

 

He knew. I sped up and fell back many times and he accelerated when I did that last time. It doesn't matter though. You're right, the C5 has more HP than both the SRT-6 and 350Z. However, the C5 has a mere 19-20 hp (I think) over the Crossfire SRT-6. Plus I'm not sure what the HP/Weight ratio is for the Vette. With two cars as close as that, it falls on the driver to win a race. Therefore, a Crossfire SRT-6 could fly past a C5. The C6 is another story, but who would want the same model with extra HP. Wouldn't you want a new supposedly re-designed car? Afterall, that's what the C6 is not. It is almost the same body (sort of ugly at that. The body color behind the lights just looks cheap) as the C5. There are no drastic changes from the C5 to the C6 that I can see. I'd much rather have a unique car like a Qvale Mangusta or a Panoz Esperante. The HP/Weight ratio does matter. Hell, the 300C has something like 345HP but weighs over 4,000 punds.

 

I'm not technically minded so perhaps someone out there can explain the following for me.
Standard Crossfire has a top speed (limited) to 155 mph, downforce increased and stabalised with an automatically extending airleron. Neat and tidy and it works.
SRT-6 Crossfire has a top speed (limited) to 155 mph and a ruddy great ugly whalefin tacked onto the trunk - WHY :?: :?: :?:
This then begs another question - why not buy the SRT-6 to get that engine, take off the offending appendage and replace with the standard car's set up :?: I mean the rest of the suspension tuning is in place so it should be a viable solution.

 

Because the SRT-6 needs some kind of spoiler. To put in the mechanically activated one that is in the coupe would cost sooooooo much money at any dealer or auto body shop. And any fixed spoiler, unless exceptionally small, would probably look bad on the Crossfire's Boat Tail Back End.

 

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However, the C5 has a mere 19-20 hp (I think) over the Crossfire SRT-6. Plus I'm not sure what the HP/Weight ratio is for the Vette. With two cars as close as that, it falls on the driver to win a race. Therefore, a Crossfire SRT-6 could fly past a C5.[/quote]

I guess its the terminology being used that might be in need of adjustment to be more accurate. The term 'fly past' implies a certain clear margin of victory/ superior performance. Bad driver vs. good driver PERHAPS the new Crossfire SRT model COULD 'ease past' a C5 Corvette. For this to occur (esp. from a roll where driver skill is less critical) the SRT will need to be able to trap within a couple of MPHs of the vette (ie 107+ MPH). If the vette is a drop top with a slush box than the SRT probably could take it. If both driver were of equally high skill levels and the C5 was a stick the Crossfire would need to be able to trap at around 114+ MPH for it to be able to 'fly past' the vette with authority. I know we're beating a dead horse here but I just don't think anybody should buy a Crossfire SRT-6 with the intention of being able to go vette hunting. Its just not a realistic goal unless they are underrating the engine by 50 HP/LB FT TQ.

 

Well, while going upwards of 85 mph, I consider that "flying". Of course no one should go out and look to race. If someone feels they just need to test their car against a corvette, go to a drag strip and slug it out there. I do believe a Crossfire SRT-6 with the right driver could beat the C5 by somewhat of a considerable margin. Not just HP is in consideration, engineering I feel goes to the Crossfire (M-Benz) over the Corvette (GM). I probably wouldn't be one of those drivers to challenge an experienced driver in a Corvette, just giving the people who didn't like the governing of the SRT-6 something good to think about. Acceleration baby, with a capital "A". (homage to Dicky V.)

 

The base crossfire is aerodynamically limited to 150 mph, while the SRT-6 is electronically limited to 155 mph. So, an SRT-6 will always be able to pull away from a base car. This has happened to me while I was following a 911 on the Autobahn. It's sort of frustrating, not thinking about the fact that you are both going 150 mph!

Regarding the spoilers, think about the acceleration of both models. The base Crossfire spoiler deploys around 60 mph and goes from 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds. The spoiler itself takes about 4 seconds to deploy. That means at full acceleration, the spoiler is deployed completely around 80 mph. The SRT-6 probably takes only about 5 seconds to get to 60 mph and around 7 seconds to get to 80 mph. Given that the aerodynamic requirements are the same for each vehicle (downforce on the rear axle), a deployable SRT-6 spoiler would have to begin cycling at around 40 mph. If you think that the current deployment speed is low (and sometimes, the spoiler wags up and down too much in traffic, and blocks the rear view), consider it deploying at 40!

So, from a physics and practical standpoint, a fixed wing is required. The SRT-6 wing actually looks like it is positioned lower and more rearward on the car that the deployable one. Also, it is more effective since it reaches around the body and out into a clean airstream. I personally like it. No one seems to complain when the Porsche GT3 gets a massive whale tail. Why not give the same consideration for the X-fire? Thanks.

 

I agree with oliver1.... It more than likely should have a fixed spoiler for stability. I just think they need to rethink the design and come up with something that compliments the car better.

 

Just hope all that street racing macho stuff gets your ticket pulled.

 

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Sealevel, I think you misunderstood. I said "on the Autobahn". Normally, in Germany, it is not "macho" to drive full speed, it is acceptable. I was not racing, just commuting to work!

Try this anywhere else in the world and you should be thrown in jail (except, of course, on a racetrack). I am definitely NOT advocating street racing. Thanks.

 

Thanks for the tech' info' oliver1.
I agree that the whale fin on some of the Porsches looks good, but not all. IMHO the design of the SRT-6 airleron completely spoils the boat tail lines of the Crossfire and I wish there was a more aesthetically pleasing solution.
I've driven a few times on the Autobahns and it can be pretty hairy - the problem being that there are a lot of slow cars and now with Schengen a lot of ossies and other "foreign" drivers who are not aware of what's coming down the outside lane. The fastest I've done is 258 kph but I was a lot younger then and I daresay, reckless - it's too dangerous on a public road - legal or not.

 

Is it going to be hardtop? Cuz the pics here: http://chat.autoweek.com/showthread....&threadid=6236 show it being hard top and a convertible (hard top convertible?).

Anyways... i dunno.... I thik the Spoiler looks pretty good So does the wheels and the front skirt. Dunno... maybe it's cuz I'm 18? rofl.... well found my dream car

 

No. The SRT engine comes in both the coupe and convertible. Sorry, no retractable hardtop.

 

since most people do not like the wheels or wing, i took a little time for my first photoshop

this is without the wing and the wheels from my car.

this is with the wing and a set of wheels from the ferrari 360modena.

 

Wheels are a matter of taste. I happen to like both. but...is there any data to support the spoiler in both versions in view of the higher performance ?? I would think the roadster might need more downforce do to the unique top down configuration.