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Old 09-02-2009 | 12:41 PM
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Hey Jeff: I do have the CAI. I had that installed as I was getting comments about how quiet my car was. Now, they ask me, "Is that a turbocharged car?" I smile and say that I'm "supercharged." So they definitely here me now.

The mods for racing that I've done have been the CAI, stop tech brakes, coilovers and racing tires and harnesses. I'm done with the mods for now until I really feel that I need more power. Right now, I've got plenty of speed for road racing, just need to perfect my driving skills. At this time, I do feel I've trashed the wheel bearings on the car, so that is the next thing to work on.

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Old 09-02-2009 | 12:48 PM
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At this time, I do feel I've trashed the wheel bearings on the car, so that is the next thing to work on.

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I went through my share of those on the truck, doing SOLO2

Small price for the fun I had tho
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 12:58 PM
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I do hope the bearings will be a small price. I'll find out on Friday.

Nice to hear from other autocrossers. Not sure if road racing trashes the bearings or autocross.

Oh well, indeed, if I'm going to race, might as well drive the car into the ground while having fun doing it.

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Old 09-02-2009 | 01:52 PM
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I don't know for certain with these cars, but you very well may be able to cross-reference the part number with another supplier like Timken.

Timken Motorsports

Also try Grainger, or MacMaster-Carr
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 02:34 PM
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How'd you tear up the wheel bearings, Jane?
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 03:10 PM
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Tom: How tempting. I'm on extended warranty which I don't want to have voided. For road racing, I just need to get better. I have enough power. The GT3s really are faster cars when driven well; drag racing is a bit different than road racing which is where the GT3s have one up on us. Sorry guys, but it is the truth.

That being said, I would like to learn more about your mods; risks of doing the mods (like going slower.) I don't know how to fix stuff like you do, so I think that is one of the issues holding me back. I'll be ready for my tune lessons at the Tail.

Jane
Most extended warranties are not affected by CAI/Pulley/Tune unless the actually problem was a direct result of the use of said aftermarket parts. Then the parts that were damage will not be covered as well as the aftermarket parts. Under law, warranties however cannot be voided due to the use of aftermarket parts, just the parts that break as the result of.

This being said, a CAI, Pulley and ECU tune under normal conditions are not going to cause damage to your car unless installed improperly. What will happen is that you will gain HP without losing much if any MPG. And noooo you will not go slower unless you dyno in a negative DA and move to a high DA like Texas...

Alsooo, one of our SRT6's has the ability to beat an GT3 on and off the track. It depends on the money your willing to spend and the amount of changes you are willing to make to the car. Although our car isnt built for driving like a grandma, its built to embarass porsches... Never doubt!

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Old 09-02-2009 | 05:23 PM
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Tom: The bearings are going bad from racing. Lots of breaking and lots of hard turns at higher speeds. The road racing is hard on the cars, no doubt. The engine has been incredible. I'm just concerned about the the wheels all the time.

Kolme: Thanks for the information. I have a feeling I've been told things by the mechanic about the warranty. I just don't want to trash my car and then not get anything fixed without having to pay a lot of bucks.

I will take all this information under advisement. I'll have to do a lot of forum research on what is the best tune, pulley etc. Unless you all want to share your opinions, which I know you all will so kindly do.

I won't be bringing the racer to the Tail or to Texas, but will have my daily driver with me which is not on an extended warranty. Maybe I'll do it backwards and do the tune and pulley on the daily driver first to see if I like it before I do the racer. Man, that is a weird approach, but I never do anything right the first time.

Thanks, gentleman. You all are great.

Jane
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 07:20 PM
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Actually, I like that idea, Jane.

If you are working on driving skills keep the racer same - if you mod now you won't be able to tell how much improvement is you, and how much is the car.

If you do an intake and tune on your daily driver, you can always swap the ECU's to try the tune in the racer.

Since mine is a daily driver I will probably stick with a CAI and tune; all those other drivers seem slow enough without adding a pulley or Sprint Booster.

Besides, if I did a pulley I'd want to beef up the cooling system, and that's getting into more money than I want to spend right now. Maybe in a year or two. In any event, the SRT is closer to a supercar than anything I ever thought I'd own.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:13 PM
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You can not swap the ECU's between the cars. Neither one of them would start. Guess how I know this.....
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:22 PM
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You can not swap the ECU's between the cars. Neither one of them would start. Guess how I know this.....
I stand corrected by the voice of experience.

So much for theory vs practice.
 
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Old 09-03-2009 | 10:27 AM
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There is a whole lot to learn when you start to mess with "mother MB." Thanks for the tips. I imagine by the time I get to the Tail, I will have researched this extensively and will talk with all of you who have the tunes, etc.

Jane
 
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Old 09-03-2009 | 11:50 AM
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Alsooo, one of our SRT6's has the ability to beat an GT3 on and off the track. It depends on the money your willing to spend and the amount of changes you are willing to make to the car. Although our car isnt built for driving like a grandma, its built to embarass porsches... Never doubt!

Kolme
WOW, VERY Optimistic statement...

Don't get me wrong, I like the SRT6. But it I am also realistic. With a serious driver, the Porsche drives in a completely different class. When it was released (MK.1 with 360PS), it was the first production car which did the Nürburgring Nordschleife in under 8 Minutes. This racetrack (one Lap is around 20KM) is one of the most difficult and most feared racetrack in the whole world ( Called "The green Hell" ). German manufactorers like Porsche, BMW and Mercedes-AMG test their suspensions on this track.There are fast parts and also handling parts in it. It is not far from where I come from. I have seen Porsche and AMG testing there. To give you a comparison : The SLK32 AMG (stock) did a 8.26 min and the Porsche GT3 (Mk.3. 415PS) did it in 7:48 min ( with H.Saurma, a good german racing driver) !!! These are WORLDS between those cars. Even the first GT3 drives faster than 300 KM/H. The latest Version MK3. 435 PS is 312 KM/H (194 MPH !!) fast.

I don't know how the guys in the little race drove their GT3?? But if you use all REVs and good shifting points etc.in the Porsche it will be very close with a properly tuned SRT6 even with the old GT3 360PS. At higher speeds and on a race track with good drivers, the Porsche is faster. The New GT3 MK.3 is faster on every occasion.

Just my 2 Cents...
 
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Old 09-03-2009 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Cobb
I stand corrected by the voice of experience.

So much for theory vs practice.
Makes perfect sense, since the car's ECU is coded to the VIN of its specific car.

As for the GT3... amazing car, but not exactly a torque monster - really isn't a drag specialist, or straight line stoplight racer. As mentioned by others, phenomenal cars on a road course, however. For the straights, one'd prefer a GT2.
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 12:08 AM
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I've got a GT3 RS in the shop right now and you can definately tell that a LOT of money was spent on the interior niceties(unlike a normal Carrera). I'm sure it would be a GREAT track car.............but still feel I'd run neck and neck and possibly beat the car at the drag strip.


EDIT: After looking up the stats(415hp/405tq) I know know I would beat the GT3 RS at the drag strip and still get destroyed at the track

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Old 09-04-2009 | 12:26 AM
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Makes perfect sense, since the car's ECU is coded to the VIN of its specific car...........

That is it! The starter will turn the first time for a couple of seconds and then nothing will happen... no matter how many times to turn the key.
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 01:10 AM
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WOW, VERY Optimistic statement...

Don't get me wrong, I like the SRT6. But it I am also realistic. With a serious driver, the Porsche drives in a completely different class. When it was released (MK.1 with 360PS), it was the first production car which did the Nürburgring Nordschleife in under 8 Minutes. This racetrack (one Lap is around 20KM) is one of the most difficult and most feared racetrack in the whole world ( Called "The green Hell" ). German manufactorers like Porsche, BMW and Mercedes-AMG test their suspensions on this track.There are fast parts and also handling parts in it. It is not far from where I come from. I have seen Porsche and AMG testing there. To give you a comparison : The SLK32 AMG (stock) did a 8.26 min and the Porsche GT3 (Mk.3. 415PS) did it in 7:48 min ( with H.Saurma, a good german racing driver) !!! These are WORLDS between those cars. Even the first GT3 drives faster than 300 KM/H. The latest Version MK3. 435 PS is 312 KM/H (194 MPH !!) fast.

I don't know how the guys in the little race drove their GT3?? But if you use all REVs and good shifting points etc.in the Porsche it will be very close with a properly tuned SRT6 even with the old GT3 360PS. At higher speeds and on a race track with good drivers, the Porsche is faster. The New GT3 MK.3 is faster on every occasion.

Just my 2 Cents...
Hehe well i never wanna be negative... But like i said, you would have to seriously commit to making changes... As it is stock, hell no its not beating a GT3. Nicely modded beyond bolt-on parts... who knows, i am optimistic. I dont think it takes a bad GT3 driver to lose to a nicely modded SRT6 on a normal road (when i said on and off the track i meant drag stip and road)...

As far as professional use, im sure a well trained professional driver can squeeze those seconds in the correct setting... but do keep in mind that the settings and drivers play an important role. That track your talking about is serious stuff.. it makes real use of the GT3's high points. Not sure how applicable those times are in a less intensive setting.

And still, we have no idea what a fairly Modded SRT6 can do in comparison to the GT3 on that track. And i dont mean just some bolt-ons.. i mean some serious changes. But I dont blame ya for saying something, I think beating a GT3 overall is a hefty task...

But hey! why not try hehe
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 03:21 AM
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For me the Quality/Ability of a Sportscar means a lot more than only being fast at the 1/4 mile. The GT3 has a whole different approach. It was never made for drag racing or driving only straight on. And on the German Autobahn, where you can use the full potential of this car, this car is very fast. Its the whole package of Power, High-Revs, Handling, low-weight and sharp throttle response, which makes this car so special. It was made for the Race-track.

Here is a little video from the Nürburgring-Nordschleife to get a little impression of the Handling. It was on a German TV-Show. (sorry, no American language)

YouTube - DMAX D Motor - Porsche GT3

And here the GT3 RS with some phantastic drifting:

YouTube - Porsche 911 GT3 RS Testdrive (DSF Motor)

And here something for the High-Speed freaks (300 KM/H+) on the Autobahn:

YouTube - 997 GT3 RS vs SRT10 vs R8 chase over 300 on german Autobahn

Personally I would always prefer a Porsche Turbo over a GT3, because I like the Turbo-Punch and the massive Torque at low and Mid-Revs. These Porsche Turbos are phantastic cars, can be used for every day, and are real Monsters if they are tuned. Especially at higher speeds these are very serious cars. A friend of mine drives a 996 Turbo, and we spoke about comparing my SLK32 with his Turbo on the Autobahn. This will be fun for sure...
 

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Old 09-04-2009 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SLK32Germany
For me the Quality/Ability of a Sportscar means a lot more than only being fast at the 1/4 mile. The GT3 has a whole different approach. It was never made for drag racing or driving only straight on. And on the German Autobahn, where you can use the full potential of this car, this car is very fast. Its the whole package of Power, High-Revs, Handling, low-weight and sharp throttle response, which makes this car so special. It was made for the Race-track.
I agree completely.

GT3 is no joke. Since we're comparing apples to oranges, let's compare pineapples too. A Murcielago would probably edge out a Ferrari F430 (non-Scuderia model) but the Ferrari would eat the Bull for lunch on the road course.

GT3 is a purpose-built track car. And there's the refinement, 'feel factor' that can't be placed into raw track numbers.

Still, I'm darn proud of Scott and think it's a neat story. Way to go bud
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 04:04 PM
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Wow…did not expect this thread to turn into this. In a ¼ mile and a stop light to stop light run, I can beat this GT3 all day. On the track, with the amount of heat soak these cars have, I would think he would KILL me. Moving on….I hopefully will have a new kill to report in the a.m. as I have another car meet and hear the natives are restless!!!
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SLK32Germany
For me the Quality/Ability of a Sportscar means a lot more than only being fast at the 1/4 mile. The GT3 has a whole different approach. It was never made for drag racing or driving only straight on. And on the German Autobahn, where you can use the full potential of this car, this car is very fast. Its the whole package of Power, High-Revs, Handling, low-weight and sharp throttle response, which makes this car so special. It was made for the Race-track.

Personally I would always prefer a Porsche Turbo over a GT3, because I like the Turbo-Punch and the massive Torque at low and Mid-Revs. These Porsche Turbos are phantastic cars, can be used for every day, and are real Monsters if they are tuned. Especially at higher speeds these are very serious cars. A friend of mine drives a 996 Turbo, and we spoke about comparing my SLK32 with his Turbo on the Autobahn. This will be fun for sure...
Well said. 996TTs can indeed be modded to quite serious levels - for those that do participate in 1/4 drag, the quickest/fastest ones I've learned of run high 9's @ mid 140's. Pretty stout.
 


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