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Old 04-24-2009 | 01:25 PM
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OK, I'll freely admit to knowing a lot more about physics than I do about engines, and I'm no physics expert, so bear with me.

I recently got a dashdaq, and one of the readouts it has shows the MAP or intake Manifold Absolute Pressure, and that this pressure readout includes atmospheric pressure. Also, I understand that atmospheric pressure at sea level is typically 14.7 psi.

So, to make a poor man's boost gauge, you can simply subtract 14.7 from the MAP readout and that's your boost. Well, I tried this, and I must have goofed something up. So I switched back to just logging/viewing the MAP readout.

The MAP readout confuses me. It ranges from 2.9 all the way up to 27.0.

There's two big issues I don't understand:
1) At full throttle and max RPM what should my MAP be reading? Shouldn't it be higher than 27 psi? At 24 psi that would indicate I was only boosting about 12.3 psi. Isn't that low, especially considering my mods? Doesn't the stock supercharger boost around 14 or 15?

2) How can there be a negative boost? I understand that represents vacuum (or sucking on the part of the engine). But that seems impossible to me. How can the supercharger be spinning and not compressing the air?
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 02:45 PM
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Default Re: Boost for Dummies Question

Originally Posted by tom2112
OK, I'll freely admit to knowing a lot more about physics than I do about engines, and I'm no physics expert, so bear with me.

I recently got a dashdaq, and one of the readouts it has shows the MAP or intake Manifold Absolute Pressure, and that this pressure readout includes atmospheric pressure. Also, I understand that atmospheric pressure at sea level is typically 14.7 psi.

So, to make a poor man's boost gauge, you can simply subtract 14.7 from the MAP readout and that's your boost. Well, I tried this, and I must have goofed something up. So I switched back to just logging/viewing the MAP readout.

The MAP readout confuses me. It ranges from 2.9 all the way up to 27.0.

There's two big issues I don't understand:
1) At full throttle and max RPM what should my MAP be reading? Shouldn't it be higher than 27 psi? At 24 psi that would indicate I was only boosting about 12.3 psi. Isn't that low, especially considering my mods? Doesn't the stock supercharger boost around 14 or 15?

2) How can there be a negative boost? I understand that represents vacuum (or sucking on the part of the engine). But that seems impossible to me. How can the supercharger be spinning and not compressing the air?
I just got my boost gauge hooked up today, I'm hitting between 12 to 14 psi.... The car runs like a bat outta hell...... Maybe we got the weaker SuperChargers put in our cars at the Factory .......LOL.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 04:15 PM
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Default Re: Boost for Dummies Question

Yes the standard stock S/C is running 14 lbs+. But I have heard that the Cade3 typically only runs like 17. I could be misinformed but I think thats about all you might expect.
But in all reallity 17Lbs of boost is quite a bit. I get 24 on mine with a 185mm.
Plus it is far better to have a good knowledge of physics than cars. You will discover if more of these guys had a good understanding of physics there would be a lot less rediculous arguments.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Boost for Dummies Question

Even a supercharged car will show vacum during deceleration or when reving the engine when not under a load.
 
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