When the car was initially acting up, I would think a basic obd2 scanner would have shown the fuel trims out of wack and adding massive fuel, I'm suprised 2 shops could not see this right away.

 

I dont know how someone could possible warp the manifolds by over torquing them. If they have to be torqued to 7 foot pounds (absolutly nothing) and someone torqued them to 25 id have to imagine the bolts would risk stripping out hole, but 25 shouldnt warp an intake flange, that is a flange thats worth a ****.

Id be willing to bet the heat from welding warped them far before bolting them down did.

Just my thoughts.

 

anyone address the issue of how long it sometimes takes the ECU to make the adequate corrections for Air/Fuel???

also, as we have seen in other SRT6's, the fuel pump gets replaced because the car bogs down in cold starts.

one theory i have is when starting the SRT up, and then hitting it hard on the DYNO could be a possibility for detonation. ESPECIALLY when using a 185 pulley!! it HAS to take awhile for the ECU to figure out and process what's going on with this particular setup, and even MORE SO with the manifolds and such!

i suggest we all remember to adequately idle our cars and don't punch it hard til we get the motor and ECU simmering first.

anyone ever notice how if you (i sadly admit i've done this with other cars) hammer it RIGHT after you've started up and roll out, you have a ton more power? this is usually because of a very lean mixture(which lean conditions will make more power) due to the ECU not processing the correct fuel curve.

food for thought.... please expound and expand please....

 

Few quick things I saw in this thread regarding me:
I installed all my own parts with exception to the exhaust
I do have EuroCharged phenolic spacers with NW's gaskets
I have confidence in both Rob at Needswings and the guys at EuroCharged


I dont think there is any ONE person to blame in this matter or ONE cause of failure. A series of unfortunate things led to another and something went wrong. Kirk as since had a slightly used engine installed at no cost to him (to the best of my knowledge).

And as for me..... I am going to the track in a few hours so I need some sleep.... oh and after this weekend, I am parting out my car.

Cheers,
Bryan Tracy

 

Edited for the better of the forum and only speculations and assumptions on my part. 185 rules. If you quoted me feel free to erase

 

Why are you parting out your car?

 

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Originally Posted by cruzinquick

The 24 psi is from Waldig's post even saying he told you he went 23psi and eventually went 24psi. That's where the 24 is coming from. Also 240's but that wasn't so recent.

Here nor there, once again Kirks AFR has always been right on par. He has never had a lean condition register, nor has his car thrown P0171 or P0174 like other forum members have reported. So, lets keep this on task, this is the data from this car.

Like I said in your other thread. Please read the data and then post. Posts like this are not helping the situation, nor helping the betterment of the forum. The manis were installed in 30 minutes. The car started. Then run to the dyno. After a pull and a half the gasket blew and it was never on the dyno again. It was then troubleshooted. Please read the post

Once again, stock Mercedes gaskets were used. Once again, please read the post. We used 6 mercedes gaskets in testing. 4 with using the phenolic and then 2 when not using the phenolic. Common sense tells you that if there was not a problem with the phenolic before the manis then…..

Cruizn, I appreciate the love for needswings. It is very noted. But your reaching here. So, we must have dropped the manis in some kind of perfect way just on the flat gasket area as to place them out of level by a couple of tenths. I wish I had that kind of power or skill.

We all know others here have had boost leaks. Have others here blown the gasket out? Remember we need to talk apples to apples here. Boost leak by the y pipe is definitely not in the same ball park. Now your trying to compare sounds? Bryans car has a full stainless exhaust remember? Stop assuming…your not helping the thread

There could very well have been pre-existing damage, but like I kept saying we will never know the full details of everything.

Yes, the motor has the 185. The tune is not held in the motor, the two things are not similar at all. The tune and software running in the car is located in the ECU or engine control unit, and that has not left the car. So, in essence the only difference is Kirk now has a ton of less miles right now.


The afr’s posted were done quite a long time ago. The 185 from LET was introduced to the crossfires in may of 08. Please remember that us C32’s guys have been running pullies on the cars since 03-04. (and yes we have the same engine) As far as safe and reliable? There are quite a lot of people running a 185 as their daily driver. RIOT had over a year and over 10k miles on his. Not reliable? I have 22k on mine. Definitely not reliable.

Car was running the same tune and 185 for over a year. The car was dyno'd 2 weeks prior and AFR was averaging 13.8

Manis were installed in about 30 minutes

Car was started and seemed fine

We drove to dyno next door (and no its not LET its fluid motor union0 a different company)

We did a pull. It was ok, but seemed lacking

Did another pull and shutdown half through as gasket blew out (apparently this is us ruining the gaskets they came with according to you)

Then we spent time trying to figure it out- as would anyone else

THE MANI WAS NOT DECKED FLAT- We have pictures and rob redecked them. Would you redeck something that doesnt need to be redecked? Rob states that we warped them during install. Can you warm something that is "flat" by placing it on another flat surface? NO

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CF WITH MOTOR ISSUES? NO- WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF?

Cruzin, while I appreciate your posts, you are doing nothing to help the situation or better the forum on this topic. Please read through the details before posting incorrect data. LET is in our building. FLUID MOTOR UNION is next door. Once again, stop with the assumptions. No the 185 didn't do this. You don't think its quite odd that after running the same tune and parts for over a year, the day that changes (mani's) are made issues come up?

 

MD, thanks for the post. When the car was acting up we had star hooked up and saw issues with compression. We then did the leakdown and then the compression test and pulled the heads

I know the story has gotten polluted with bad data, but the car seemed fine then jumped on the dyno. It was then when the issues were happening. We saw the leak, then attempted the corrective actions. We then looked deeper and found the compression problem. It was not run on the dyno after that one time.

Make sense?

 

Rob has offered full refund for the Manis and I have asked Jake to ship them to him.

 

Jake I have edited all my posts. I realize it's tough enough to operate in this economy without a shadow hovering. My public apologies. Don't know why I even cared about other member's cars but to each his own. Good luck in the future.