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Old 07-23-2008, 03:10 AM
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This thread started with a 185 vs 178 debate. IMO the 178 is better, the main reason I think that is because the 185 just creates to much heat and I don't think the larger HE is the answer to getting cooler IAT's.

cruzinquick, if you were just looking at the R/T's on the slips I posted in my gallery I had 34 slip's from that event and just posted 6 or so. I believe I have 3 slip's with .00 R/T's and I did get a trophy for best R/T's that day. I did have a few that wasn't so good, but out of 30 slips running against another car, on 24 of them I had the best R/T.
 

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Originally Posted by BlUEMDsrt6
Bikecop's Meth injection system is running into the intake manifolds and not before the Sc therefore not really helping the SC cool. I would like to see someone run the Injection into the intake before the SC and see what that does to the IAT. MDSRT6 and I are going to Capitol Raceway on Friday (weather permitting) and we are going to run against each other. Anybody in the Maryland/DC/VA area with a 178 or Code3 want to come out with us?
I have moved the injection spot and I am now spraying right on the IAT. I am planning on heading to US 41 tonight for some testing. I can tell you this so far. The car has to be at full operating temp. before I spray the water/meth. Other wise the car misses and I get misfire engine codes.
 
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Originally Posted by bikecop
I have moved the injection spot and I am now spraying right on the IAT. I am planning on heading to US 41 tonight for some testing. I can tell you this so far. The car has to be at full operating temp. before I spray the water/meth. Other wise the car misses and I get misfire engine codes.
Hey Eric, where you been hiding? I havn't seen any post from you for a while. I don't have much time to get on the forum in the summer, so I've not been on here much lately and to busy at work to get on here either. I had made the statement in a previous post that we ran several times together at US 41 and that we pretty well ran side by side, but I didn't think you ever beat me. I don't like making claims that are not true, was that statement true or did you beat me on any of our runs? I wasn't saying that to make you or your car look bad, it was said to make the 178 pulley look good .
 
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
Either way I'll race any other crossfire heads up, besides rob and jeff . It's all on the starting line and by the looks of those reaction times, some of you need more mods to make up for it. I know the more mods you have the harder it is to get a sweet launch. Muncho practice. No other srt6's race in AZ, I need some company.
I will smoke your Steeler lovin @ss! Bring it cruzin!
 
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Hey Eric, where you been hiding? I havn't seen any post from you for a while. I don't have much time to get on the forum in the summer, so I've not been on here much lately and to busy at work to get on here either. I had made the statement in a previous post that we ran several times together at US 41 and that we pretty well ran side by side, but I didn't think you ever beat me. I don't like making claims that are not true, was that statement true or did you beat me on any of our runs? I wasn't saying that to make you or your car look bad, it was said to make the 178 pulley look good .
No worries Steve, I think my ET on a couple of runs was better but you always beat me. Your R/T and your slicks kicked my @SS every time.
 
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drag radials or slicks will make a huge difference, I was not aware he was running those.
 
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[quote=Steve Hellums]This thread started with a 185 vs 178 debate. IMO the 178 is better, the main reason I think that is because the 185 just creates to much heat and I don't think the larger HE is the answer to getting cooler IAT's.

cruzinquick, if you were just looking at the R/T's on the slips I posted in my gallery I had 34 slip's from that event and just posted 6 or so. I believe I have 3 slip's with .00 R/T's and I did get a trophy for best R/T's that day. I did have a few that wasn't so good, but out of 30 slips running against another car, on 24 of them I had the best R/T.[/quote

Steve I was going to put that you were the best driver that day, but didn't want to hurt feelings. Way to drive. It's makes all the difference.
 
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Originally Posted by BlUEMDsrt6
I will smoke your Steeler lovin @ss! Bring it cruzin!
Blue,
You know I would love to make it to your fall race day. I just need a transport and plane ticket, cuz I ain't driving that far. Heck I would wear my steelers jersey on every pass and claim victory. That 185 makes your cars a bonafide baby viper. You know how many vipers I've whooped. Lots, they can't get it to launch and I'm gone by the time they hook up and can't run me down. They are pissed and I'm sure you would be too. Sorry guys off topic, but the season is coming soon. Go Steelers!!
 
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drag radials or slicks will make a huge difference, I was not aware he was running those.
I agree DR's are crucial to putting the power down. DR's should be one of the first mods if your thinking 185. Otherwise all that power is wasted, and you'll feel like a ZO6 racing a GTR.

Steve were you the only one with DR's? That surprises me for a drag day.
 
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
Blue,
You know I would love to make it to your fall race day. I just need a transport and plane ticket, cuz I ain't driving that far. Heck I would wear my steelers jersey on every pass and claim victory. That 185 makes your cars a bonafide baby viper. You know how many vipers I've whooped. Lots, they can't get it to launch and I'm gone by the time they hook up and can't run me down. They are pissed and I'm sure you would be too. Sorry guys off topic, but the season is coming soon. Go Steelers!!
I would mop the floor with you cruzin, just like the Patriots did to your Steelers. We can't really get down to the bottom of which pulley is better till this fall. I agree that the 185's weakness might be the extra heat and there isn't anything out to suffeiciently address the problem. I don't think the full potential of the 185 will be unlocked till someone opens up all the choke points in the intake and exhaust and also finds a good way to tame IAT's once the boost builds. This fall we will definitely get all the pulleys together for a smackdown at MIR. I have the 185, Jeff has the 181, Mrphotoman has the Code3, and Distant pulse has the 178. Should be fun seeing who's setup is best.
 
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I'm jealous just thinking of those races. Please hire someone to video. Let me know what date you guys are planning on and I may just fly out there to watch. It'll probably be snowing by Nov 30., but that would be sweet. I have yet to race another six.
 
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Yeah, it is definitely going to be fun and interesting to see! BTW guys, youre best be .00 on the tree or your going to be seeing my tail lights all night! :P j/k!!
 

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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
I agree DR's are crucial to putting the power down. DR's should be one of the first mods if your thinking 185. Otherwise all that power is wasted, and you'll feel like a ZO6 racing a GTR.

Steve were you the only one with DR's? That surprises me for a drag day.
Some of the M/B guy's were running slicks, but I'm not real sure what bikecop & RIOT were running. I think they were running a competition type drag radial with tread, but I can't say for sure. The first time I ran one of the supercharged V8 big M/B's I took off and left them at the line, but about 2/3's the way down the track they caught me.
[Done a little searching and found what bikecop was running, they were Pirelli's DOT-legal Competition tire.]
 

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Hell I might have to buy me some better tires now, lol. The Pilot sports just do not cut it, I fishtail all over the place with them.
 
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Hell I might have to buy me some better tires now, lol. The Pilot sports just do not cut it, I fishtail all over the place with them.
I made a few runs at US 41 with my G-tech meter and the time slips looked almost like twins compared to the G-tech. That being said, I have 285/35/19 Pilot PS2's on my car and in 60 degree weather (not at a track) launching with the TC on I've pulled off a 12.3 on the G-tech, but you could feel the TC kicking in. I've tried launching with the TC off, but I got a lot of spinning & fishtailing and about half the time it caused the G-tech to fault out. With the Hoosier DR's at the US 41 track I pulled off 3 or 4 1.7 60's and the rest of the 26 or so runs were mostly 1.8's with a few 1.9's.
 
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I made a few runs at US 41 with my G-tech meter and the time slips looked almost like twins compared to the G-tech. That being said, I have 285/35/19 Pilot PS2's on my car and in 60 degree weather (not at a track) launching with the TC on I've pulled off a 12.3 on the G-tech, but you could feel the TC kicking in. I've tried launching with the TC off, but I got a lot of spinning & fishtailing and about half the time it caused the G-tech to fault out. With the Hoosier DR's at the US 41 track I pulled off 3 or 4 1.7 60's and the rest of the 26 or so runs were mostly 1.8's with a few 1.9's.
i thought 275's were the largest we could fit, i will have to look into that!
 
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i thought 275's were the largest we could fit, i will have to look into that!
Steve is using aftermarket rims that are probably wider than stocks.
 
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My new wheels should be here on August 1, they are 19x9.5. Are the stock rims 19x8.5?
 
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I have the 181 pulley and ran 12.92 @ 111.51mph last week on Kumho Ecsta SPT's with TC on. This was the first time I have raced and I made 7 passes with the TC on all the time. I got a little spin every time and the TC kicked in. I dont have a tune yet but I am sending the ECU out to LET today.

I am also sure that I saw someone here has put 285/35's on stock 19 inch wheels. The tire shop didnt enjoy it but they got them on and he was happy. I am debating the 275 vs 285 for when I need to replace mine.

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I will post this here because I brought it up here. I moved the location of the nossel for my water/meth to spray at the IAT. Well, I must have used too large of a jet because it still gets random misfire codes. But thats not the bad news of my track time, my trans is slipping bad. My car would not trap faster then 103. The engine was running great pulling around 17-18 lbs of boost it just would not shift right. So I called it a night after three runs. As I hit the road for home my car held 1st gear until 4,500 rpms while in drive. I was taking it very easy at this point only about 1/4 throttle. After driving for a while, taking it easy it started to shift normal again under regular driving condition.
 


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