Voyager, you ever bid on ebay before?

 

Wow! A grand for 15whp!! That makes the NeedWings Intake or an Inmotion ECU tune a steal.

I know. Cat back is a totally different animal. I'm just always amazed at how much they end up costing and the small increases they provide.

 

If I liked the design, etc. I guess ~<$750 or so (not really sure).

Yes that design for the na Crossfire is what I was referring to.

From what I can tell, it is possible to do a X pipe after the flanges and run true duals into 2 single mufflers. We can discuss off line if you would like.

 

haha its probably since i also own a slk 32 im used to everything being expensive

 

Discussing here is fine this way people will get a better idea as to the possibilties that are out there...unless you prefer offline.

What i meant is the magnaflow x-pipe is wider than the stock h-pipe. if you cut the mid section by the rear cats and modified the pipes then it would work but as far as making a bolt on catback utilizing stock flanges its not gonna work.

 

Thats actually a realistic price, that would get you quality stuff. I cant go into how many times ive seen so called bolt on products from big name companies not even work or require us to mod them to make it fit properly. When i say us i mean the shop i used to work for, where i learned all my fabrication techniques.

As for whomever compared the exahaust to the intake, you right they are different animals. Once you do the intake and tune(and for what its worth id do the exhaust before the tune) you will start to look for other ways to make power. These are limited....and bolting on a simple 15-20 whp and tq is a pretty nice option.

Im noticing a trend here and i like some clarification from the members. A lot of you express interest in a true dual exhaust setup.....why is this? It adds additional weight, material cost, and complicates the fabrication process. Do you like the looks or are you convinced it will add more power? And are you guys expecting 2 pipes parallel to each other about and inch away....or are you thinking of a design that goes around each side of the diff? Do you really care?

 

You can get a custom catback made at any exhaust shop for under $500. Just ask around to see which ones do a good job.

 

Very true. But it will not be 100% stainless, it will not be TIG welded, it will not have all mandrel bends/smooth transitions, it wont be dual, it will not mate up to your factory specialty mercedes benz flanges without hacking yours off to reuse them. It will take twice as long to build as compared to simply bolting on a ready made piece that convieniently arrives at your door after purchasing. And if you ever want to switch back to your stock exhaust exhaust you must have them re-weld what they hacked off.

If none of the aboved mentioned attributes are important to you then a muffler shop is always the way to go...we have some around here that could porbably get ya good and fixed up for less than $300.....and i would never in a million years let them touch my car with their pipe bended non smooth transitions, mild steel, wire welded, hack saw/plasma cutter technology.

Kinda like the guy above said that owns a Mercedes...hes used to spending more for something a little nicer. A muffler shop job will provide similar gains for 1/2 the price....thats what the srt-4 community thrives on. but our cars are a little nicer and id hate to go to a SRT6 gathering and someone ask to check out my exhaust and have them see a muffler shop job.

Having said all that.....if most of the members here are completely fine with that(which ive seen pictures and some of us are)...then my question is already answered.

 

I think X-Pipe designs are usually the best way to go rather than "true dual" just for the fact, that if i am not mistaken X-Pipe design offers abetter scavanging affect, which simply put means it doesnt just let the exhaust flow out it actually tends to pull the exhaust out of the engine.

I know there have been studies which show with a properly built purpose exhaust, that you can actually create boost in the car. not bad for a little noise huh?

Justin

 

I have s omeone that can more than likely make up a JIG off your exhaust if you'd be willing - I'm in the OC area. Are you going to the Cars and Coffe April 26th?

 

lmao, that may be the case where you live but I can get mandrel bent ss custom catback for $500 or less around here. Sorry that burns your *** but you can spend $1000 for minimal gains or you can spend less, it is your money so you can waste it how you like. I am sure all your friends jack up your car and crawl under it to wonder in awe at your $1000 exhaust (heck maybe you can tape the receipt up in your window to really impress them!) every time you have your million dollar Chrysler out. As a matter of fact I drove my car to work today and when I went outside for lunch everyone had my car up on jack stands crawling under it to check and see if my exhaust was up to standards for my srt6.

If you are so concerned about parts being exclusive and exotic enough for your car then why do you have such a ghetto looking intake with cheap-o sponge air filters that suck in hot engine bay air in your car? That looks like @ss and makes your car look a hell of a lot more ghetto than a custom exhaust ever would and that hot engine bay air really makes the power doesn't it big guy? That exotic header wrap on your intake looks sexy too, I am sure it really keeps that hot engine bay air temps down for the 1/1000th of a second that it is in your intake.

You asked for opinions on a custom exhaust in this thread, so you should expect that some are not going to agree with you. If you plan to have someone make a custom exhaust for you to resell on here does not mean it will be a good deal for $1,000. If someone is going to make one for you to sell then there is absolutely no reason I can not have one made here for a lot less. I am sure you are not planning on having one made to sell and not make a profit off of it. I guarantee it would not cost you $1000 to have one made. But then again I bet you plan to sell them and make zero profit right?

 

Just to throw in our experience with the exhaust we're working on.

Materials are 2.5" SS, V-band clamps, X-pipe, Test pipe/Hi flo cats, Bolt up to factory down pipes, Dual in/dual out polished SS muffler, polished tips. Just in parts it cost around 700.00 for the JIG. This does not include an labor, hangers, or test fit time.

A good exhaust is costly, but you get what you pay for. Switching from V-band to three bolt would save you 30.00 a collector. Our exhaust has six. Then you can use an off the shelf X-pipe for another 50.00. Less expensive muffler, save 100.00. Cheap tips, save 75.00. Last but not least, cheap labor will save you about 200.00-300.00 depending on how cheap you can get it. Just in lowering the quality of parts you can save $400.00.

If HP/$ spent is what you are looking for then there are many more affordable ways. If you are looking for the best of the best then you have to pay.

Anthony

 

If spending 2 or 3x the money does not get you any additional hp and you can not see any difference in looks then it is a waste of money in my book. I would rather spend the other $500 on a pulley to increase boost then be a hell of a lot faster than the guy with the $1000 exhaust lol. But some people think more money always = better when many times that is simply not true.

 

I agree with you MrPhotoman, but you also have to consider there a many folks who will do the ECU tune, the intake, the pulley, AND an exhaust. It's not necessarily which makes more power per dollar, it's about adding as much power as you can.

I not planning on doing anything with the exhaust myself. But who knows. Maybe I'll get the itch later... after the intake, ECU tune, and pulley!

 

i plan on the ecu tune, pulley, intake and lighter wheels on mine and most likely alcohol injection.

 

All I have to say about reply is "WOW." And they said I was mean.

 

i just do not like arrogance. people on the other sites i am on have grown to know and love my "assholishness" though lol.

 

Well you kinda got off subject ranting about wrapped CAI's and what not but ill respond as best as possible.

If you think you can build an exhaust like mine for $500 or less id LOOOOOOOVE to see it. Im talking about the one i posted pics of that has no bling whatsoever, not even tips, just basic. Make sure it fits as well, the welds better be as good and it should be 100% stainless. Ill even PM you a few pointers if you need help. I have more than $500 that in materials(at my dealer cost) and welds, not even taking into account the hours it took to build. If you can build a $500 stainless catback as nice as mine for that price you should make 10 of them and charge about $750 im sure theyll sell like hotcakes.

And as far as jacking the car up in the parking lot and taping up receipts...lol that is funny, you are a special guy indeed. A lot of people cant tell the difference between what just works, and top notch quality. For the rest of us only the best will do. I hang around shop owners who have years of experience in the modification industry, they own everything from 1200hp Supras to 750hp Hondas. When they look at my work its important to me that they like what they see. Now im sure when you walked outside from lunch and found your car on jackstands you were dealing with people of this same caliber...right? Thought so.

Regarding my intake with header wrap, all i can say is its bada$$! It made great power(see my other thread for the dyno sheet). Cheapo sponge filters...lol...i bet your one of those guys that buys into the K@N marketing ploy. The filters simply keep harmful debree out of the engine...thats it. And they look much nicer to me than the some of the "others" ive seen. The header wrap absolutely works and from the second you roll out it pulls fresh air. The dual design pulls way more CFM than a single can. Ill put it up against whatever your running anyday. Of course our cars would have to be side by side with no additional mods so you wouldnt cry when you saw my taillights from my so called ghetto intake, that required top notch skill to build.....but im sure your local muffler shop could handle that too right?

And of course i would expect to make profit if i invest my personal time. Who on here wouldnt?

Its obvious you dont know much about the reality of modding cars with quality parts, associated costs, etc, but you have your own little opinions already formed, which is cute.

Did that pretty much cover everything...big guy?

240m3srt > mrphotoman, thanks for playing.

 

Lol, like I said you can spend all the money in the world on a car but that does not necessarily make it faster. I have developed and sold many custom parts for cars so I can tell you now not to worry your little head about my knowledge of modding cars. There are many tests on the net showing the differences between filters and how well they flow if you would like to do some research. I can see you are a little ignorant when it comes to modding so I will cut you a break on bashing you too much. As for your intake, you are hurting power by not pulling in cooler air I can assure you that. Colder air= more hp and hotter air=less hp (it is less dense) to put it simply for you (which I am sure you need it explained as simply as possible lol).

When it comes down to it, the exhaust that flows best will make the most power. You can make a $10,000 exhaust out of gold and that does not mean it will flow better and make more hp than a $200 exhaust. There is always that point between a ghetto mod and a "wasting money" mod like your $1000 exhaust but you can easily make a quality exhaust for WELL under $1,000. People and companies do it all the time. You can make a damn good looking and high flowing exhaust for a low price and it is not difficult to do.

On my last car I had a $700 borla exhaust and it was a piece of crap, I switched to a $300 exhaust (ss also) and seen improvements of 5mph on the track and not only did it flow better but it worked better as well. The borla had several restrictions and simply was a poor design. So using your logic that more money for a part is always better explain why the $300 exhaust was able to look and perform better than the $700 borla?

Lets create a scenario using your mo' monay is betta logic shall we?

Hey everyone, you can go to 7-11 and purchase a pepsi for $1.00 or you can buy one from 240m3srt for $600.00 and that of course means it is higher quality of course. 240m3srt takes the same pepsi from the same distributor as 7-11 but then he polishes the can with a microfiber cloth to ensure you do not encounter any turbulence when lifting the can to your lips. 240m3srt then throws out any cans that may have a dent or ding to ensure everyone knows you are the man and are drinking from only the finest top quality pepsi can available. As a result, all the ladies will be impressed with your high balla status when they see the official 240m3srt $600 pepsi price tag flapping on the side of the can as you drink in style. 240m3srt estimates you will pick up at least 2whp with his modded pepsi.

In all seriousness, as long as the welds are good and the pipe is good quality there is no reason ANYONE can not make a nice quality good flowing exhaust that would work every bit as good as a $1000 if not better. People have done it for decades and will continue to do the same for years to come. Heck you can go to summitracing.com and purchase mandrel bent tubes and build your own for next to nothing. Just be careful and do the math so you do not make an exhaust that is too free flowing and causes loss of backpressure to the point you have a peaky powerband. In order to get the best exhaust possible you will want to test different setups (which is very easy to do) on the track to see what works best for you.

Good luck with your big boy exhaust, if I was you I would double the price so it will be 2x as fast and maybe provide your customers with a gold plated arrow they can mount on their trunk pointing at the exhaust tips to direct more attention to the 8,000whp super performance exhaust you sold them.

 

So how's the weather outside? I'm stuck on the internet at work.

Payback 240, LMAO.