looks like the ic pump dies
Re: looks like the ic pump dies
Originally Posted by Brent
It wasn't the transmission adapting to my driving style since I had my car for over a year prior.
My supercharger clutch first starting failing when I was doing 50 - 60 MPH so I first thought that it was the IC pump since a pump failure had the same results per the forum. After a couple of days the clutch failed completely. Now when it failed while cruising I would floor the pedal but the car would not or only very slowly accelerate. The clutch failed one time when going up a hill and I was able to maintain my current speed with no problem - I just couldn't accelerate. I also had no problem accelerating from a stop when the clutch failed.
There are a couple of things at play here. One of course is the adapting transmission. Another is that the supercharger doesn't engage until 2500 RPM or thereabouts. So when you are cruising on the highway and hit the gas a little, it's possible that you are still under 2500 RPM. Now I don't know if the ECU will engage the supercharger below 2500 if you stomp on the gas but from what I've noticed in my car is that it won't. A forum member also posted that there is a bit of a dead spot between 40 50 MPH so this could also account for the lack of acceleration.
Being below 2500 RPM pretty much puts the SRT-6 at the same power level of a NA Crossfire from a standstill. And I had no problem accelerating at the lower RPMs. So what I think is happening is that if a supercharger fails below 2500, the ECU doesn't know it and there is no restrictions put on the car. Above 2500 the ECU expects power but is not getting it so it goes into something like a limp mode. I could be way off base here but that's how the car seems to operate. Now when I used autostick when cruising with the dead supercharger my car came to life and accelerated briskly but not as powerfully as it did with a functioning supercharger.
The 6 will accelerate quicker with autostick unless you've trained your transmission to downshift as aggressively. Literally the only way to do this is to do the reset procedure and then drive like a maniac. The transmission will learn to downshift like crazy everytime your gas pedal is depressed ever so slightly.
You'll know when you have a supercharger clutch/IC pump failure. There is no mistaking the utter lack of power.
By the way, the 6 is my first auto transmission since high school 30 years ago so I've pretty much had to relearn how an auto works myself - especially with all the electronic controls and extra gears. I like it and don't miss a manual at all in my 6.
My supercharger clutch first starting failing when I was doing 50 - 60 MPH so I first thought that it was the IC pump since a pump failure had the same results per the forum. After a couple of days the clutch failed completely. Now when it failed while cruising I would floor the pedal but the car would not or only very slowly accelerate. The clutch failed one time when going up a hill and I was able to maintain my current speed with no problem - I just couldn't accelerate. I also had no problem accelerating from a stop when the clutch failed.
There are a couple of things at play here. One of course is the adapting transmission. Another is that the supercharger doesn't engage until 2500 RPM or thereabouts. So when you are cruising on the highway and hit the gas a little, it's possible that you are still under 2500 RPM. Now I don't know if the ECU will engage the supercharger below 2500 if you stomp on the gas but from what I've noticed in my car is that it won't. A forum member also posted that there is a bit of a dead spot between 40 50 MPH so this could also account for the lack of acceleration.
Being below 2500 RPM pretty much puts the SRT-6 at the same power level of a NA Crossfire from a standstill. And I had no problem accelerating at the lower RPMs. So what I think is happening is that if a supercharger fails below 2500, the ECU doesn't know it and there is no restrictions put on the car. Above 2500 the ECU expects power but is not getting it so it goes into something like a limp mode. I could be way off base here but that's how the car seems to operate. Now when I used autostick when cruising with the dead supercharger my car came to life and accelerated briskly but not as powerfully as it did with a functioning supercharger.
The 6 will accelerate quicker with autostick unless you've trained your transmission to downshift as aggressively. Literally the only way to do this is to do the reset procedure and then drive like a maniac. The transmission will learn to downshift like crazy everytime your gas pedal is depressed ever so slightly.
You'll know when you have a supercharger clutch/IC pump failure. There is no mistaking the utter lack of power.
By the way, the 6 is my first auto transmission since high school 30 years ago so I've pretty much had to relearn how an auto works myself - especially with all the electronic controls and extra gears. I like it and don't miss a manual at all in my 6.
Re: looks like the ic pump dies
Originally Posted by SLK32Germany
Brent,
if you stomp the gas under 2.500 rpm, the SC KICKS IN on the 32AMG-Engine!! Above 3.000 rpm the SC is always on, even if you feather the gas- pedal.
Kind Regards
Bruno
if you stomp the gas under 2.500 rpm, the SC KICKS IN on the 32AMG-Engine!! Above 3.000 rpm the SC is always on, even if you feather the gas- pedal.
Kind Regards
Bruno
Re: looks like the ic pump dies
new IC Pump installed .. issue resolved so far
will i tried a different dealer , a guy that works with me , he called his friend which is some kinda (bigwig) at the DC corp ,
gave him a list of local dealers that had a good rep ... sorry but the one i used was not on the list... they got a bad report. a lot of issues ....
so any way they called the dealer told them the issues i was having ,,the service mgr called atlanta ordered the part last night , the ServiceManager called me this morning told me the part came in come on over theh put a IC / AUX Pump on and guess what ... PROBLEM SOLVED....
so maybe i need to eat my crow about bashing Chrysler .. seem their might be some dealer's still out their that care abouth the customer ..
OH and Thanks for the many Crossfire member that give advise. and input ...
will i tried a different dealer , a guy that works with me , he called his friend which is some kinda (bigwig) at the DC corp ,
gave him a list of local dealers that had a good rep ... sorry but the one i used was not on the list... they got a bad report. a lot of issues ....
so any way they called the dealer told them the issues i was having ,,the service mgr called atlanta ordered the part last night , the ServiceManager called me this morning told me the part came in come on over theh put a IC / AUX Pump on and guess what ... PROBLEM SOLVED....
so maybe i need to eat my crow about bashing Chrysler .. seem their might be some dealer's still out their that care abouth the customer ..
OH and Thanks for the many Crossfire member that give advise. and input ...
Last edited by huudoo; 02-21-2008 at 01:10 PM.
Re: looks like the ic pump dies
Originally Posted by huudoo
new IC Pump installed .. issue resolved so far
will i tried a different dealer , a guy that works with me , he called his friend which is some kinda (bigwig) at the DC corp ,
gave him a list of dealers local that had a good rep ... sorry but the one i used was not on the list... they got a bad report. lot o issues
so any way they called the dealer told them the issues i was having the service mgr called Atlanta ordered the part last night , the SM called me this morning told me the part came in come on over there & put a IC / AUX Pump on and guess what ... PROBLEM SOLVED....
so maybe i need to eat my crow about bashing Chrysler .. seem their might be some dealer's still out their that care about the customer ..
will i tried a different dealer , a guy that works with me , he called his friend which is some kinda (bigwig) at the DC corp ,
gave him a list of dealers local that had a good rep ... sorry but the one i used was not on the list... they got a bad report. lot o issues
so any way they called the dealer told them the issues i was having the service mgr called Atlanta ordered the part last night , the SM called me this morning told me the part came in come on over there & put a IC / AUX Pump on and guess what ... PROBLEM SOLVED....
so maybe i need to eat my crow about bashing Chrysler .. seem their might be some dealer's still out their that care about the customer ..
Great News, I didn't think Harry Lane was worth a S***, after dealing with several of them & I guess "Birds of a Feather....", service is the Same!
If I don't get my New issues resolved properly, locally in GA or NC, I'll be calling you for that Service Manager's Name!
My best & I hope the Fix Holds up!
Bill
Re: looks like the ic pump dies
Originally Posted by huudoo
new IC Pump installed .. issue resolved so far
Originally Posted by huudoo
so maybe i need to eat my crow about bashing Chrysler .. seem their might be some dealer's still out their that care abouth the customer ..
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