Thought I'd share this update on here as well. See link below:

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...68#post1707468






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uhh, well if it wasn't for the $2,000 price tag I might take one, but I can make more HP with $2,000 by upgrading other parts of the car.

 

Just to clarify, the dampened option is $1,999. The solid crank option (same power) is $1,499. We obviously feel very strong that this is very well worth the power gains. Out of curiosity, what mods to "other parts of the car" would you do for $1,499 to give you more HP? And NOS does not count.

 

Well, no offense to your product I'm sure you get what you pay for in quality... but I haven't seen your dyno graph yet.

As for spending $1,500 - $2,000 I would put that money towards a stand alone ECU system which is fully adjustable by laptop, if I wasn't gonna do the ECU thing I would opt. for the bigger SRT6 brakes or go Brembo.

Other than that I would dish out $4,500 on a aftermarket supercharger system.

I like NOS but for seriously underpowered cheap cars, too risky for higher end cars.

 

check out their links inside the mbworld forum link for dyno graphs for the SLK32.

 

show me the graphs, I don't have all day to search other sites for links and what not...

 

Wow...guess we are supposed to bow down as well!!! former NXMX5...I know what I'm going to do!!!

 

Probably make more power with a set of long tube headers, they usually run about $800 - $1,200 a set.

To bad no one puts out larger cams and cnc ported heads with bigger valves for the 3.2 motor.

Where's the Dyno graph EVO-SPorts?

 

Thanks for the info. I'm certainly not familiar enough with what the Chrysler demographic has been doing to these cars, but they are essentially an SLK32 setup and we have sold several of our performance kits to SRT6 customers. As you may or may not know, we are a full Mercedes-Benz high perf. tuner (not a bolt-on shop), with dedicated engineers who come out of Formula Atlantic, as an example. I don't post here often and I certainly don't mean to step on anyone's toes or come across interrogative or arrogant by any means. I'm just providing information and more curious as to what people have been or thinking about doing on the Chrysler front.

Here you go...this is a dyno of a Mercedes-Benz C32 with our ODPS kit:



The SRT6 uses the same Bosch ME 2.8.1 motronics as the Benz-variant. As far as I'm aware, nobody makes a plug 'n play stand-alone for the car. And you certainly won't spend under $2k if you went with a Motec setup (again, not plug 'n play). We're building a 6.2L CLK right now using a modified AEM system but again costs are much higher than $2k. Besides, even if there was a stand-alone, I doubt the gains on a stock car would see 40 RWHP, not to mention a stand-alone would no longer make the car OBD2 compliant nor allow you to be able to smog it.

What size brakes is stock on the SRT6? Is the spindle/hub assembly a transplant as well?

I'm not a big fan either, but you'd be surprised when done correctly what can be done. We've built 700 hp+ E55's and we've added NOS on top of that per the customer request. Using NOS is not a function of whether it's a cheap car or not. It has more to do with how well you can configure and setup the system/delivery. How you trigger the juice...manual or via throttle position, etc. Anything is risky when not done correctly.

 

it certainly took you longer to write that than it would have taken to click two links.

and regarding cams and headers, do some research before you go running your mouth off about their availability. (oops, asking you to do your own research again... sorry).

 

Wow! Impressive hp numbers for just a pulley change, 35 hp ain't too shabby!
Might have to consider this, option...

What else can you guys do with the Bosch ECM? I think we XF guys would like to raise our redline limits, due to the very annoying 6,000 limit.

As for the SRT6 brake conversion, I haven't done enough research on it. But it's on the list.

Personally the N/A crossfire would be perfect if it had another 100 hp. Which I'm almost sure is obtainable thru reworking the 3.2 heads with cnc and valves. And some ECU tuning. Oh yeah and don't forget cams either.

Otherwise go turbo or S/C to around 7 psi should get close to another 60 hp I would guess. I know Paxton is getting into the Chrysler vehicles now so we'll just have to see what comes our way...

If you built it, we will come.
Realistically this is where I would spend my money.

 

Nice,

But IMO that's alot of coin for that kind of gains. I guess I'm used to the domestic V8 market where $2,000 will get you alot more gains!

Just out of curiosity, has there been any work done on a upgraded TB/header/air intake setup for these motors? The Mercedes chassis is different from the SRT6, so we cannot use headers from the SL32. But I believe the air intake setup is the same. Are there larger/bigger flowing TB's out there for us? Again, these kinds of mods are the basic bolt ons that we do in the domestic V8 world. Just trying to cross app. More air in... more out = more power! hehe

Danno

 

Yeah I know, you can make a lot of power with Camaros and mustangs for the price of this pulley set up.

The Euro Tuner companies need to get on the bandwagon here and not rape everyone for small hp gains.

I think I'll keep the XF as a GT car and leave it stock, and later on in the future pick up an '01 - '03 Camaro LS1.

 

don't understand what dynamicS and NXMXS are getting all worked up about. Are they on there period today or what? This is an option for the SRT-6, not the NA 3.2. We have so few vendors that will post on this board, and when a new one shows up, they are given so much abuse I have to wonder if this one will be back. I've been on other boards and they always have different vendors participating in the threads. I've seen this happen on here before where a vendor is harassed to the point of them not returning. Members, we are not making it any easier for ourselves when we treat them like that. If you don't like what they have, what they say, or the cost, a bit of tactfulness might help the situation instead. And if you don't have a SRT to start with, why should you care what the graph will be.
Simon is new to the MB board and they have just put the dampened ODPS on the market. He was telling about it the other day and I asked him to post the same info here for the SRT-6 owners. Some of the c32 guys are getting over 425 hp from their S/C 3.2 with a goal of 500 hp not being out of reach.
Why don't you guys that want cams and ecu work, or headers, or even head work, go search around the internet and see if you can find some dealers to come and post on our forum with the products that they can provide for our cars. All that could do is help everyone of us!!

John

 

I wasn't even referring to the LS1/Mustang group. I can do ALOT with that kind of coin for a 5.9 Magnum Mopar motor... heck I have.

I'm not trying to bash the vendor, but I've been in the performance industry for going on 20 years, and when you can pickup a chip/pulley set for a 5.4 Ford for $800, I'd like to know why this one is so spendy. Just because it has the MB logo? Development costs? I'm not trying to nag or bug, but I am genuinely curious as to WHY they are that much.

Similar to the header thread that was posted. If you guys are happy paying $1,200+ for a set of V6 headers, then good for you. Personally I feel you should be able to get them for $800 and that would be a ceramic coated set.

Yeah I'm cheap, but I have 6 hotrods I gotta play with, and the SRT6 is the slowest at this point, and will probably stay that way because of the price of the mods...

Danno

 

Well I must say you guys are a tough crowd, but I'm certainly enjoying this conversation. So long as it remains civilized, it won't deter me from posting. I think many of you who have been posting have become accustomed to the domestic or even import tuning world. Yes, you can get big gains for little $$$ on big engines or on volume production cars. Unfortunately, it does not work that way in the Euro market for several reasons. One, ECU tuning on Euro cars is MUCH different than on domestic cars. We don't have access to most data points or maps on Euro ECU's like you do on domestics. So yes it takes a lot more R&D to make things happen, and that means higher costs to produce the product. Second, simple economies of scale: they don't make nearly as many AMG cars as they would any of the domestics we're talking about here. Supply vs demand. If I could sell 1,000 ODPS kits for C32/SLK32/SRT6, the price point would obviously reflect that. Not to mention, there is far more competition with domestic and import cars which again will drive down the price. Believe me when I tell you we're probably the most competitively priced MB tuner in the market with one of the highest quality of products. Do some digging and you'll easily see what I'm talking about. If you're going to criticize, then you should take the time to do the homework and not necessarily accept what I'm say as fact. We're certainly not trying to get as much money out of you as we can. Our margins are fair and, for the Euro market, the value proposition is very attractive! As an example, at any given time, we have 2-3 E55s at our facility getting our evo3 stage performance kits (+150-200 hp) among other mods. Average ticket (and I'm not exaggerating here) is $25k-$35k.

You think this stuff is expensive...try to buy something for a Ferrari.

 

Thanks for the straightforward answer! I DO appreciate it.

I know I am in the minority here, as most of these guys have more $$ than I do. But I am very aware of the low production/cost issues. I am building a set of lifters for the Dodge Magnum motor that converts them to solids vs the hydraulic roller, if I make 20 sets I'll be surprised. So I do understand about limited markets. Believe me, that I do.

I thought that the Bosch controller was pretty well mapped out? They use it in almost every German car made, and some Italian ones too (Alfa... IIRC). So I guess I am surprised that they have not been "figured out" to a larger degree. The Dodge controllers are the same way, no one supports them. There are TWO people out there that can reflash/reprogram them away from factory specs, but even so, they are only $400 ish to have it done. If they have done 300 of them between them I would be surprised (low volume).

Again not knocking your services (I'm glad SOMEONE is doing it!! ) just curious to the disparity in price. And maybe trying to suggest a way to provide a lil more volume in sales for you guys. Not everyone that owns these things has the bankroll of a typical MB owner.

And I am fully aware of what the Ferrari stuff costs... amazing what you pay for the prancing horse...

Danno

 

The SRT6 is an even lower production car than the C32/SLK32. If it weren't for MB x-over of parts, I wonder if there would be anything for the SRT6.

Yes, we call it the "Ferrari tax". A 30,000 mile service on a Ferrari F355 w/ valve adjustment is $8,000!

 

Yeah the crossover saves our butts! That's for sure.

I helped a friend (Chassis builder/exh/car builder guy) do a 355 conversion in a 308. Took a wrecked English 355, brought all the parts over, stuffed it all in a 308 chassis (that had the Boxer? body work on it ...) and put twin turbos on it. I learned ALOT about the pricing on Ferrari stuff at that point.

Danno

 

I understand that this is promising about 35 hp gains here but i was wondering if you guys had anything else on top of this mod to increase hp. I have been checking out a few things and is willing to spend but I would like to get as much as I could within a limited price range, of course. I hear Renntech mod will be about $1,000 more than yours and they promise only 45 hp gain with a 60 ft/lbs of torque. Just curious and still hoping to get some decent gains with having to spend a whole lot of money. Not knocking you or your company but just wondering what else you may offer and how much it would cost.