electric supercharger
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Re: electric supercharger
This sure sparks another level of interest. Great find, I like it. Adding 5 psi of boost is definitely going pos some problems with tuning but would make some serious HP! It's kind of biggish for under the hood of my XF. I wonder if it could be hidden at the back of the engine of underneath somewhere?
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Re: electric supercharger
Originally Posted by Wayne1992
One thing I'm wondering is how standardized the computers are. My mentor once told me that ECM's, PCM's and OBDII computers were all basically the same among most of the models. I wonder if in order to sell cars in the USA the Europeans have to use a standardized OBDII computer. FYI, a single scan tool will generally scan a number of different type cars, foreign and domestic, which indicates to me there is some standardization. Maybe some disgruntled Mercedes employee will step in here and spill the beans and then my spoiler won't tell on me until I hit 80 mph. Ha
I thought I better chime in on this having messed around with the OBD system on my PT Cruiser. The OBDII systems are 'standard' but there are three basic protocols used VPW J1850 (GM), ISO 9141-2/14230-4 (most European) and PWM J1850 (Ford). They all use the same connector but have different pin configurations.
I built a scantool using Elm chips (they do one for each protocol and a basically a preprogrammed PIC micro) for the PT after final finding out which protocol it used (VPW not ISO as I originally assumed). The OBD standard specifies specific parameters that ALL manufactures must support such as RPM, speed, fuel trim, O2 sensors etc. These can all be read real-time, even as you drive if you wish. However, each manufacturer can add their own extensions to these standards to support specific features of their vehicles which they don't have to disclose. Also, as you say reading is one thing changing settings is another thing entirely.
Our Crossfires use the ISO standard so I am now resurrecting the original ISO scantool I mistakenly built for the PT, to hook up the Crossfire to see what features are supported. I have all the bits but chopped the PCB about to swap it to the VPW chip. I'll post what I find.
Cheers,
Simon.
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Re: electric supercharger
Originally Posted by woody
Hi Wayne,
I thought I better chime in on this having messed around with the OBD system on my PT Cruiser. The OBDII systems are 'standard' but there are three basic protocols used VPW J1850 (GM), ISO 9141-2/14230-4 (most European) and PWM J1850 (Ford). They all use the same connector but have different pin configurations.
I built a scantool using Elm chips (they do one for each protocol and a basically a preprogrammed PIC micro) for the PT after final finding out which protocol it used (VPW not ISO as I originally assumed). The OBD standard specifies specific parameters that ALL manufactures must support such as RPM, speed, fuel trim, O2 sensors etc. These can all be read real-time, even as you drive if you wish. However, each manufacturer can add their own extensions to these standards to support specific features of their vehicles which they don't have to disclose. Also, as you say reading is one thing changing settings is another thing entirely.
Our Crossfires use the ISO standard so I am now resurrecting the original ISO scantool I mistakenly built for the PT, to hook up the Crossfire to see what features are supported. I have all the bits but chopped the PCB about to swap it to the VPW chip. I'll post what I find.
Cheers,
Simon.
I thought I better chime in on this having messed around with the OBD system on my PT Cruiser. The OBDII systems are 'standard' but there are three basic protocols used VPW J1850 (GM), ISO 9141-2/14230-4 (most European) and PWM J1850 (Ford). They all use the same connector but have different pin configurations.
I built a scantool using Elm chips (they do one for each protocol and a basically a preprogrammed PIC micro) for the PT after final finding out which protocol it used (VPW not ISO as I originally assumed). The OBD standard specifies specific parameters that ALL manufactures must support such as RPM, speed, fuel trim, O2 sensors etc. These can all be read real-time, even as you drive if you wish. However, each manufacturer can add their own extensions to these standards to support specific features of their vehicles which they don't have to disclose. Also, as you say reading is one thing changing settings is another thing entirely.
Our Crossfires use the ISO standard so I am now resurrecting the original ISO scantool I mistakenly built for the PT, to hook up the Crossfire to see what features are supported. I have all the bits but chopped the PCB about to swap it to the VPW chip. I'll post what I find.
Cheers,
Simon.
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Re: electric supercharger
Originally Posted by MAYAman
That other one requires two full size batteries on top of your own full size battery. Holy crap.
All of the other concepts I've seen were just a fan. I would probably try to use one of his products or the DIY centrifugal SC kits, I don't believe that one of those would take much room.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04...ght/index.html
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Re: electric supercharger
Originally Posted by jpristel
Yeah, it looks like a pretty serious setup, but after googling his name, he appears to offer the best electric solution. His site does need some work, but somewhere I saw that even he says "if a belt or otherwise driven supercharger is available for you car, use it".
All of the other concepts I've seen were just a fan. I would probably try to use one of his products or the DIY centrifugal SC kits, I don't believe that one of those would take much room.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04...ght/index.html
All of the other concepts I've seen were just a fan. I would probably try to use one of his products or the DIY centrifugal SC kits, I don't believe that one of those would take much room.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04...ght/index.html
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Re: electric supercharger
^^^ Yeah, it looks awesome and the price is cheap. I'm just worried about having an additional two batteries in my car LOL. Where the F would I put them for one and who would be crazy enough to install this getup? I mean, I can't do it to save my life and I know of NOBODY or legit garage that would do it. They would laugh at me and say "you'll shoot your eye out kid". LOL
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Re: electric supercharger
but didn't it say you can use some sort of 4x6 batteries?? for all 3. so it shouldn't be that much heavier. i thought it was like a 20 hp boost, but this one goes up to around a 100 hp. i'd be happy with 50 hp shots. if not i'm going nitrous once i close this real estate deal i got going right now. also sounds like it would be smart to add an additional injector...
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Re: electric supercharger
Originally Posted by Wayne1992
I did a search on this site to see if anybody else has talked about this and didn't come up with anything so here goes.
Check out this site:
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/
This one costs about $600.
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/...ramspecs.shtml
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/...eos/video3.mpg
I think it would fun to play with. Also, with a 25 HP increase It would think that the Engine management computer would not have to be reprogrammed. Thats comes out to about $24 per HP. Since our Throttle Body is at the back of the engine it might not even fit but when there is a will there is a way!
Check out this site:
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/
This one costs about $600.
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/...ramspecs.shtml
http://www.electricsupercharger.com/...eos/video3.mpg
I think it would fun to play with. Also, with a 25 HP increase It would think that the Engine management computer would not have to be reprogrammed. Thats comes out to about $24 per HP. Since our Throttle Body is at the back of the engine it might not even fit but when there is a will there is a way!
What's your honest opinion on this thing ? Smoke & Mirrors or what ? It looks like it would be an easy install on the dual intake I have on the car.
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