First comparing the 3rd gen rx-7 to the crossfire is as stupid as "someone" (name will be left out) comparing a 63 Corvette and the crossfire and say it has the same principles.3rd gen RX-7's can be had in great shape for for mid teens, and in outstanding shape with really low miles for low 20's. I checked one out with 14k on it and the dealer was asking 21k, im sure I could have got it for 19k. For those you don't know this car was around 40k new. Would be even more now adjusted for inflation. Another thing to look at is production numbers, they made only 13,879 3rd gen RX-7's total for U.S. shores.

The other car getting compared is the prowler, yet they only made a bit over 11,000 of those throughout production. And they can be had for in the 20's in near brand new shape.

I do believe that the crossfire is going to level off however, there is going to be a plateu and they will hit the mid teens retail, 3-5 years old and it will hover around that, with bad and not perfect examples getting less.

The reason I believe the Crossfire is a flop, is it did not meet the general public's expectations let alone exceed. And for the money competition is tough, and there is alot more car out there for the cash. Please no comments on how the car meets your personal expectations, because personal expectations are not the general public's.

 

Bullshit (eye):
Prove to me that the "someone" compared a 63 Corvette and the Crossfire and said it has the same principles, other than to say that they were both Sports Cars;

This last paragraph of yours is the only thing that you have ever said that made any sense at all; yes the competition in the Sports Car market is very tough; the market is diluted with these and THAT is the reason they are not selling like hotcakes.

Now don't ruin your record by coming back and saying anthing as dumb as you have before, PLEASE DON'T

 

Hey Guys,
The reason the cars are not selling is the same reason why the car lots are full of trucks.. no one is buying ....
Sports cars are an emotional purchase... not a need... we have two of them just for fun... and being in America (where they are cheap !!!) we have a large estate car too..
The general public is by and large a family unit when it comes to buying a car, so there are only a few groups able to decide to have fun... this wonderful car is not for the kids... it doesnt "shout enough" , well except in the Design area... but for us "Old Farts" it has more than enough "presence" and besides we impressed the girls years ago..wink!

Bullseye if you want a true road going sportscar.. try the Lotus its about as close to a sportscar as you can get.. and then if your Insurance company hasnt had a fit.. look for a TVR.

 

Looking at how much xfires have depreciated, I'm actually glad of my lease payments now... I was one of the first to have a Crossfire because my neighbor is a dealer and gave me a good deal (at the time)....

$370 a month for 39 months = about $14,000 paid in total by lease end.. in exchange I get 15k miles a year + bonus 500 = 49,500 miles. Residual = $18,000 (and I won't buy it at the end).

The reason I'm glad for this is because the price they are going at now.. 21-22k or whatever... geez.. sure lease payments on that would be a lot cheaper, but thank god I didn't FINANCE one at 30-35k, cuz with the 15k miles I already have on it, I'd already have lost $14,000+ in value, which you buyers have, regardless of whether or not you sold it already...

Buyers have been screwed.. and imo its because of lack of publicity or advertising.. These cars are HOT.. and if they actually had some TV commercials and what not, these cars would be selling like hot cakes.. As it is, nobody knows our cars even exist! Which is why there are no buyers... I think its a simple matter that nobody realizes our cars are even for sale. If I didn't own one, I'd just think they were some expensive limited production run car that I could never afford.. I'm sure it would blow a lot of non-owners minds to know they can have one for under 25k. But of course DCX doesn't even advertise that fact...

I just don't get it. Why make such a great car and have such little publicity coverage? Put the Crossfire in one of those ads with the 300C damnit. I swear I'd be a better CEO of DCX than whoever that German dude is.

 

I feel for everyone thats in a bad position on residual value as I have been there before, my first car when i came to the US I gfot screwed, but I learned to shop and search and never buy a car in the first year of production.

However from the other side of the spectrum I am one of those folks that managed to pick up a 2004 for 22k (i was the second owner but 6 months ago 22k was a bargain). So from my point of view had the car not been priced at that level I would not be an owner now. i can justify sepending 30K plus on an SUV for the family but not a 2 seater for myself. Again, i feel for all you folks that have lost thousands, I guess if you are going to keep the car for more than 5 years then you should be ok as the biggest loss has already happend.

 

I think the Crossfire is one of the best investments there is. Your getting a Mercedes car of about 50k with a hell of alot better looking body for a ton less! I have never ever owned a car that turns heads and people ask what is it so much. I would not part with mine unless I had to.

Mike

 

Originally said by mbepic, "I owned a 65 Coupe, 327-365h.p. for 13 years, fully restored and the fact it was a two-seater, "sports car" makes it no different than the Crossfire."

I'd say that 365hp v-8 makes it pretty damn different.
And everything I say makes sense, you just refuse to except it.

 

Bullseye did you say you owned all those cars in your gallery like Mustang,Porsche 911.etc?

 

Actually, some pretty good advertising $ was thrown at the Crossfire last spring. The first season finale of The Apprentice had 28 million viewers. Even then Crossfire sales peaked in the U.S. at 1,669 units during May 04. And that's while the $299 lease was used to get many of the cars off the lot.

 

Yes, the XJ220 and the Cobra R were just sitting at a dealership that i took picutures of did not own them, And the green 540iA was my dad's. Everything else was mine at one time or another. Some cars I have had short as a week,(rsx) and others i have had over a year (M3). Also some of my cars are not pictured, my firehawk and wrx floppies are corrupt trying to see if i can save the pictures on them somehow.

 

nope not thinking about selling but the first year drop isn't looking any better for years 2 and 3 when i will be selling, already got 26k miles on the clock!

 

The lease on 04s or 05s is around 49% residual even on the SRT6s after 39 months ! I guess DC will be eating a lot of loss when they start coming back !

 

Are you soo confused that you can't even remember we were discussing a comparison between the 63 Corvette and the Xfire. Man, you must be on drugs half the time and going to the AA meeting the other half.

BTW, back in 1965, 365h.p. was gross h.p. and todays Xfire is net horsepower; but, you knew that didn't you???????????? It's a shame we have to teach you everything.

 

Either way, any corvette > than crossfire. Well except the cross-fire injection vettes, I guess they reserve the name " Crossfire" for the crap they put out.

 

and Bullshit (eye), if you can get out of your confusion just for a second, do you want to tell us what years they used the Crossfire Injection engines??

 

I know 82 was one year, not sure about the rest would have to look it up. Its a heap of crap. I hate C3's. So i could really care less.

 

See Bullshit(eye), you got the memory of a ciph. I taught you what years that engine was installed a couple of months ago, don't you remember. The other year was a C4.
Oh and the C4 was a Corvette generation that you know more than me and all others in the world combined...........right???

 

Why should i remember the worst injection system ever put into a vette? And I dont hold anything you say with high credence. The LT1, LT4, and LT5 are the only C4's worth remembering. Every other C4 was weak, but then again so was almost everything in the era, though the turbo G bodies were great. And all the c4's i worked with were newer than 90. Don't forget you think the crossfire is an excellent example of a sports car. I bet you find Bob Sagat hilarious too. The crossfire, him and you have something in common, you are all lame.

 

Sorry Bullshit (eye), you got me there, never heard of Bob Sagat. Is he a friend of yours?

 

If you want to buy a car as an investment, then you should be looking at some vintage and restored model that sits in your garage because you are afraid to take it out on the street. To me the joy in ownership is the thrill of driving. My '04 Crossfire appears to have depreciated about 30 to 35% in the Dallas market; this seems about right. Besides, I intend to keep the car for a long time and it really doesn't matter. Year 1 and year 5 hit the resale value the most on almost any car.