Ahhh, the Evo. It kind of reminds me of those two 1911's in Bullseye's avatar ... one of the finest fighting handguns made, but about as good looking as a black-painted, slab-sided chunk of wood. To my eyes, the Crossfire is drop-dead gorgeous, somewhat reminiscent of the boat-tail Bugatti coupes of the 1930's or the boat-tail Talbot Lago coupes of the 1940's. The Evo is plain butt-ugly. A hemi in a Crossfire? I like it!

 

I would like it even more with a Viper V10 (yes its crossed my mind) and yes the crossfire has something that is hard to find in cars today... style and class

 

Actually the pistols kate beckinsale is holding are 2 Beretta M93R's not the Colt 1911A2 you speak of. Call the evo butt-ugly, who cares its runs with the best of the best. And that still doesnt change the fact that the crossfire is dead-@$$ slow. And just the other day my car got compared with the looks of a AMC Marlin. Now there is a compliment. And further on the 1911 it wasnt made to be pretty, it was made to get the job done and it did for decades and still does. The EVO was made with performance in mind. I'm still trying to figure out why the crossfire was made, especially now they are going wholesale for under 20k. Sounds like a real winner to me.

 

I dont get it? No you dont get it. qoute me on this. It would be a huge waste of time to put in a hemi, you would kill the handling and the striaght line performance would not be as good as you hope. The whole swap would cost so much that you could buy a slk55, and then you would have it all. And i still would not consider a crossfire a hotrod even if it had a hemi. It would run low-mid 13's at best with the hemi, and thats being opptimistic. Congrats you just spent 20k to make your car run mid 13's. What a waste. And for the gas mileage its an added bonus. And everyone on this forum talks about gas mileage, numerous threads on it. And have you ever heard an SRT-4? Doesnt sound like a weed wacker. Before you sterotyping continues do some research first and get out of the 1960's.
Over 300 ft-lbs to the wheels out of a 2.4L with less than 2k in mods is crazy. Take it for what it is worth. And the srt-4 with a stage III kit from mopar ran low 12's. Its in sub compact car magazine. That 911 turbo turf. Take that and put it into the crossfire and your lil' poor nose heavy hemi crossfire wouldn't have a chance. Oh BTW watch some videos of the SRT-4 they are not to be taken lightly. They pull on you big bad v-8's. It comes done to dollars and cents, and it would be ludicrous to do that swap. I get it, but why? BIG WASTE of time and money.

 

I've spent some time hunting wild hogs with handguns in the southeast coastal swamps. Lots of wild hogs there. Interesting thing about wild hogs ... a hog can outrun a thoroughbred horse, and he can keep it up for longer than the horse can. But, he's still a hog ... butt ugly.

 

I think you must have your animal logic confused as you do your gun identification capabilities. A wild hog has very little endurance, and can hit a top speed of only under 30mph, a human( such as an olympic sprinter can run 25mph), and the hog cant not substain that speed for long at all. While a thoroughbred horse can hit speeds over 45mph and substain that speed for a lil' over a 1/4mi. Nice try on your analogy, I'd give you an A for effort. Gotta love the discovery channel. And I do. Anyways looks are subjective the EVO looks great to me. Butt ugly is an Aztek.<---thats the wild hog or should i say pig of the automotive world.

 

So, I screwed up on the gun identification ... it's pretty tough to tell from an 80x80 pixel image. I sure thought they looked like a couple of 1911's with compensators on them, a couple of race guns. Oh, well.

I didn't screw up on the hogs, though. It's straight out of South Carolina Wildlife Magazine, July, 1996. State wildlife biologist discussing the wild hogs in Francis Marion National Forest which are descended from Spanish boars allowed to run wild in the 1600's. You're probably right about domisticated hogs, too much fat, too little exercise and too much evolution (pun intended).

Lighten up, put a smile on your face. I have one on mine. This forum is supposed to be fun. At least we agree on one thing ... the Aztek is definitely butt ugly.

 

Somebody say butt !!

 

Hey snapperhead try reading the whole post. I test drove the srt4. IT IS NOT IMPRESSIVE, NOT EVEN A LITTLE, and it does sound like a weed wacker........ no really, I test drove my weed wacker when i got home too.

Stage 3 kit is free I guess huh. and 300ft lbs is not crazy I dont care if its in your riding mower.

balance thrown off.... no...... really.... geee i never would have thought of that. boy am i glad you came along to clear things up. while you are at it could you tell me how the 425horse hemi is supposed to hurt straight line performance? oh wait thats right the weight you did say that..... what else?

porsche 911 territory...... oh my god.... you think thats a special feat? just thought i would mention that the percentage of the population who have seen UFOs mirrors those who have claimed to seen a fast import......... interesting isnt it.

You spent 2000$ to get 300ft lbs ...... is that a typo or a joke? either way it is the biggest waste of money i have ever seen

just out of curiosity why is it I keep seeing 500hp V8s chewing on 700hp imports at the drag strip?
probably because the imports are a bunch of uneducated boys who believe all the claims in the advertisments and magazines

well this will be my last post for 4 weeks but be sure i will be back to help guide you away from your wicked misguided ways and help you tward the light of displacement power. its ok if you get mad you know not what you do and im here for ya..... go ahead let it all out..... you will feel better in the end

 

I can let the thing about the guns go, but I'm into gettin knowledge. So you are saying that a lil' "pig" can run over 50mph? and substain it for over a 1/4mi? Not starting something just i need to see this. It would be one of those funny tid bits of useless information, kinda like putting a hemi into crossfire.

 

I know he is gone but none the less, I will reply back. The srt-4 not impressive?Runs under 14 seconds in the 1/4mi(thats a full second ahead of our crossfires), and handles quite well, slaloms faster than a Ferrari 575 Maranello, out stops a Lambo Gallardo and does this for only a sticker price of 21k. And thats not impressive? Hmmm then what is? Granted its a neon and has the neon looks, but you can't argue with its performance. And you are so close minded its not even funny.

Not just a 911, I am talking about a 996 911 Turbo and if you take that car lightly, you are a baffoon. And this isnt about claims in magazines old man, this is what i have seen, have not seen a stage III at the track yet, but i have seen numourous stage II srt-4's run 12's. And the cost of modifications is alot less than the cost of our taxes on our crossfires. And if what you say is true, how come LS1 powered cars modded and stock, and modular mustangs, lose to these so called "not impressive" srt-4's.

And 2 grand to get over 300 ftlbs to the wheels, One guy dynoed his srt-4 stage II and was puttin 323 ft-lbs to the wheels, thats more than modded ls1's. SO your rationale, wait there is none. So spending 20k to get around 360 ft-lbs to the wheels is a good deal? Thats what your swap would amount to. Your swap is joke, just like your knowledge about cars.

When you become openminded let me know. Because I am a true car nut, I like Imports and Domestics alike. If it performs it performs. When you get out of the 1960's, realize there is a replacement for displacement, and its called forced induction.

MY .02

 

if the guy wants to do it, y not? no one ever attempts to be constructive in this forum.

 

You got me all wrong X'ed, you more than anyone should know my thirst for more power. But come on a 6.1 hemi swap, just isnt worth the money. I was trying to be constructive by offering my idea with the srt-4 swap, but instead i was spat in my face.

 

it wasn't an attack towards you, or anyone. the only point this guy is making is that it seems to be his personal dream to build a crossfire big block using all mopar parts. so i just would think that if anyone could help him do that, stupid as it may be or not, they should. don't try and persuade him, becuase this is what he wants. thats all.....but i would never do it.

 

Guys, take it easy. Why are we arguing like this about which type of engine to put into the Crossfire? We should all just accept the fact that some people like the characteristics of turbo cars, while others like the characteristics of large-displacement engines. One thing that I am seeing in the forum is that we all come up with these great ideas to do to the Crossfire in regards to the engine, and yet I still haven't seen someone on the forum that actually put their thoughts into their actions...where are those supercharged 6-speed Crossfire's that we all talk about, or those Crossfire's with Viper engines in them? The fact is, nobody has yet to appear on this site with a Crossfire with extensive engine modifications that go way beyond air filters, exhausts, and so forth.

 

Golf dude I agree, esp about the part where chips, exhausts and filters are being used. I'd rather wait for the warranty expires then go to town. Some guys will like a certain type of engines - others will want something else. But IMHO, the cheapest way to go for mondo power AND reliability would be to get a nice low comp 360/400ci stroker short block ($1800), aluminium heads for lite weight (and power potential ($1200), this will give a minimum of about 450HP, more than enough more a pump gas friendly, daily driver. Do the math 3100lbs x 450 HP and 430ft/lbs of torque - work it out on the slide rule. Back it with a decent 6 spd trans....can u say fun ? The std 3.27 rear end ratio will be more than enough with that much torque on tap.

Set the motor back for proper weight distribution; with the correct springs/shox handling will not be compromised too much. A well built V8 will be cheaper and longer lasting than a turbo'd 4....ask the guys at the track. The more complexity you build into a combo(esp a 4cyl/stressed turbo)....the more hassle it will become both tuning and longevity wise..

If more power is needed later on, hang a centrifugal lung off it (remember the low compression) ...can u say 650 + HP? Before u guys flame me for this Ive gone down this path before - $$$ wise and power wise its simply the best/easiest way to go.

Of course, this all depends on what you want from your ride. IMO 400-450 HP is more than enough for a daily driver......oh and BTW, its still ALL MOPAR !! Cheaper than a Hemi too.....

Im interested in you opinions......oh and yeah, the warranty HAS to expire before any of this happens....plus Im in the throes of finishing off my blown, flathead powered 32 Ford, 3W coupe.

XFYRED

 

I am bilding a 70 challenger, and puting in the 5.7. i got the motor, tranny (auto), computer, wireing, and all from a rolled ram for $4500. i made the mounts and headers my self. it will be on the road this spring. a friend of mine wants me to put a 5.7 hemi in his prowler after the challenger is finished. the prowler swap should not cost more than $10000. a crossfire swap can be done for the same. im doing this cuz its fun and the cars will be that much more uniqe, its to show and look cool, if you want a ton of power and purfect balance then you bild a race car, not do a motor swap.

 

Have any of you guys driven the SRT6 yet ? Drive it you like it !

 

Orion....RIGHT ON...now youre talking my lingo !! Good score on that 5.7 . Id love to see some pix of your Chally with the 5.7 swap. One of my Mopar mates down here runs a 500+cube/6 speed Hemi in his 70 Chally ragtop, looks like a factory resto....but isnt lol

I rn a strong 360 in an Aussie 71 VH Chrysler Charger....ran a best of 11.2 @ 121 mph. Should run tens when its dialled in.

But seriously guys...any engine can be modded to get the performance you desire from it...some engines are better candidates than others for souping up too. You just need to fix the deficiencies or design flaws of some and enhance their strengths...oh and throw enough money at it too. Oh, and some of us are more knowledgable or willing to spin a few wrenches than others....I actually enjoy the challenge and the satisfaction of driving a creation of mine....not one that came designed for the masses. I think I had my X fire for less than 2 weeks before it copped lowered springs, K&N's and a decent exhaust. Most cars from the factory look unbalanced....too much wheel weel gap, restricted to the max etc tec....they ALL built to a price for a MASS market. Although I do understand some guys love em as they are and thats OK.

But to do a retro small block swap, upgrade the brakes and add decent progressive springs/shox would make for a killer car....a loads cheaper than that Startech crap for 120K. A correctly set up and a genuine 450 HP in an Xfire ....with decent traction it could run the 1/4 mile in mid 11's at 115-120 mph, brake very well, handle just as well and make some clown in a mega $$$ euro exotica ride feel like they've just wasted 200 K.The secret?? Low weight, some hard work, reasonable cash outlay, and good planning will yield this result. And do it with the AC running too. If Im not mistaken, its one of the reasons why the Rustang is so popular Stateside.

And before I get flamed...Ive already been down the Euro path before....and although theyre nice rides, dollar for dollar, they dont stack up.

just my 0.02

Xfyred

 

Startech.de is showing a 426HP 6.1 liter V8 Crossfire anyone know what the deal is with that?