Are you a Lawyer? You have an innate ability to turn things around to suit yourself. Oh that's right, You are a "used car" salesman, I forgot.lol
In 1970, they couldn't GIVE Superbirds away. You remember 1970, WHEN YOU WERE 7 years old.
Nobody wanted to be seen driving around in a heavy, nearly 20' long Road Runner with a goofy looking wing on the back, no matter how many Nascar Races it won. But now, it's the "Darling" of the Auction block.
As for the AMX, it didn't matter that their Hurst SS cars were mopping up the Drag Strips around the country with the smallest V8 engine, and nobody paid any attention to Breedlove's Record runs either. The car was still a RAMBLER, and that fact alone made it the Joke of the Drive-in crowd.
But now, an AMX, especially one painted in the Big Bad Colors (even though nobody wanted to be seen driving an AMC back then, especially if it glowed in the dark) now commands the highest prices.
That's the point I was making, and you know it.
Look, you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I'm going by what I've seen happen over the years, it's an automotive trend that I think will continue. You don't.
But with over 76k examples of the Crossfire built, it's not going to stay a secret forever, and the more people that stumble upon the car, or activly seek it out for what ever reason, it will only become more desirable as time goes by.
Most everybody "here" gets sucked in by this car, why should it be any different with future enthusiasts?

 

^that could be one of the best retorts I've ever heard.

 

You can say this with a straight face after posting a photo of your "drift car". Ok.....

 

I much as I would love to think the XFire... especially the SRT Roadster as it is the most limited in production will someday be a highly collectible car that will be worth a lot of money..... The reality is probably closer to another car that I purchased new and loved for its uniqueness and fun factor. It was a 1985 Fiero GT. If you think about it, there are lots of similarities between the two, and a 1985 Fiero GT which in today's market will bring between 5 and 10K for one in pristine condition. Considering they cost 13K new, they have held their value pretty well, but is not something that one would consider an investment grade vehicle. Furthermore, the Fiero GT has most likely peaked in it's potential for future value. Also, much like the XFire, the Fiero still has a very strong cult following and a strong forum community. Just think, the Fireo was first released in 1984 with the GT following in 1985. Sound familiar? XFire in 2004, with the SRT following in 2005. Maybe this is a glimpse at what we may expect out of the XFire in 20 more years.

 

Um my s13 had an origin kit, wheels and bigger brakes. Plus a built motor and shiploads of other high dollar parts. I could sell the turbo on my car for about 20,000

Drifting is about looks as much as it is performance. You never see a haggard car in FD or D1.

My car made 450@18psi on pump gas and was by no means slow. The goal now is 650 on pump and meth.

I have enough in that one car to buy about 10 04' crossfires.

 

Not to mention that at the ripe old age of 23 the majority of his peers from the time he started driving are rice burner fan boys that think a fart can is a serious modification.

 

A fartcan? Just what the **** is a fartcan? Me nor no one I know has ever run a "fartcan"

 

Ok, come on Infinite pick a story and stick with it......... One moment you are such a poor college student that cannot afford to go to the Varsity to get a hot dog to someone that has a 20K turbo on a full on drift car. We have yet to see you follow through with any of the stories about custom manufactured performance parts that you are working directly with manufactures that you know. I enjoy you ramblings on occasion, but do you really think there is anyone on this forum that takes anything you say seriously?

 

I built my 240 in 06 when I had money. Lost my job summer of 07 and it's been broke pimpin ever since. I just started a well paying job at the start of this month so my projects are slowly but surely getting back on track. As far as the custom parts go, people are just waiting on mentondeliver parts to start work on them so when I find time to pull my crossfire apart, hopefully in the next few weeks, I can start on that

 

Don't get me wrong Infinite... I think if we met, we would be friends. I just think you are full of it sometimes. Not that is necessarily a bad thing, and it is entertaining.

 

Lol I do what I can
Assuming money keeps coming in like it is, I plan to have the bulk of the r&d/fabrication done by the first of the year

 

The Fiero was originally introduced as a "Commuter car", Magazines directly compared it to the (then new) Honda CRX. It only garnered its "Sporting" personality later on. It was also plagued with several problems, (that while being minor in nature, with the exception of spontaneously cumbusting) seemed to stick with it long after the problems were solved. And with the standard practice of GM using it's customers as "test" drivers, while their engineers continue to hone and develope the model until they finally get it right, and discontinue it, may have some bearing on it's current desirability factor.
Personally, I always thought it was a cool car, and I don't think it's peaked in value at all. When you consider it's selling for higher prices than most Vettes of that era, I think that fact alone speaks volumns.
As I said before, just give it time.

 

Everytime I see a fiero I laugh. Out loud. Hard. They are just so ugly.

 

Well, I would most definitely love to see that happen, as I have no intention of selling mine in the near future if ever. I can always hope that it will help finance my kids education in 15 years or so. But if not, I will know that I kept it because of my fondness for the car and not for its future value. I will keep her pristine just in case though. LOL

 

You just can't help yourself.... Can you?

 

Actually, I owned three tire stores and sell cars as a side business, so I can have a dealer's license---no sales tax on my cars, all parts are tax deductible, and dealer insurance; PLUS I make a little money on what I drive with ZERO deprecation cost---I think it's a great deal---my degrees are in Accounting---numbers guy. As for law school--no, but many have told me I should have gone, due to my logic---even my own lawyers. As for remembering 1970, I sure do---my whole family were car nuts---the reason, I guess for the repair business. That's about the time I really started getting into cars---6 or 7 years old.

What I do not get though is why you insult a perfectly good business and me with a stereotype or for that matter my age---I'm 47 not that far in front of you---What? Were you a car expert in 1970 at 19? If so, why did you put down Infinite a couple of post ago for his age which is about the same that you were in 1970? Oh My---there is my logic putting pieces together again---Sorry, just an innate ability that I seem to have.

Your point that you were making proves mine---so I do know what you were making. Not "ALL" collectible cars have to sell well---it helps to have a demand at the start: most have it---I stated that and you pointed that out. I ALSO stated like Vegaslegal, who is a lawyer, that there must be a "WOW factor"---both of your examples have that PLUS very low production DUE to the poor sales. That WOW factor is their racing history. If the Superbird did not win like it did and have that history with less than 2000 made, I doubt anyone would know the name today like they do---definitely not the "darling". But give me a car that won BIG with one of the best drivers ever, and we have a winner. Same with the AMX---I had a slot car set with the red, white, and blue Breedlove's livery---106 records help collectivity, maybe not sales then, but now.

But what we have is a "deal" car. A good looking car, but with 76k made not that rare, but with no demand at the first sale to carry over to the second, we have a hard road to collectivity. We lack a HEMI and a racing history like the Superbird. Our car is in the middle of the road, so to say. More like the Fiero GT example than a Superbird that was built for racing. Or maybe the X1/9---cool car design by Bertone, but never made collectivity. Or the TR7---"the shape of things to come" which was right, but not a collectors car. Or maybe a DeLorean---cool body and could use a little more power like ours, but not a big collector 30 years later. Yes all that I listed have clubs and followings, but not the big bucks like the Superbird or even the AMX, and all are over or pushing 30+ years.

Unlike cars of the past, the cars of today will cost way more to restore. The electronics like sensors will just add to what is already too costly for most. So without a history of racing or some other draw, we will have just a pretty face---a very pretty face. My SRT will have a better chance, but with even more costly parts---it will be hard to impossible to find someone in 20 to 30 years to due a full restoration. Like Vegaslegal, I have restored cars and do not see the cost being worth it---must like his Jensen Healey. I will say that I hope so, but I have never seen the trend that will bring big dollars like your examples. I think my examples are more like the trend the Crossfire will follow.

As for being sucked into this car, I am. Like I said I have bought 6 and sold 5---love them. But in 20- 30 years or more and the big dollars needed, other cars would come first, and I think most will say the same.

 

This is my point!! Well said. I hope for better but I see it more this way.

 

I stand by my original post and your little public "resume" proves my point, "my we are proud of ourselves aren't we." Actually, the simple statement you made (I'm 47 not that far in front of you) says it all. Most people would have said "I'm 47 and not that far behind you". But then you are an accountant and 47 comes before 59 now doesn't it?
Sounds like I touched a nerve.
For the record, My Father was in the car business, for over 33 years, I had my own lot for 5 years so I know the stereotype of which you speak very well. I can't tell if you're more upset I jokingly referred to you as a lawyer, or because I called you a used car salesman.
And just how did I insult Infinite? Simply because I told him to look up the meaning of the word cult? I think he's a big boy and he's fully capable of handling his own battles with out your help. But if you think that's what you need to do to win friends, good for you.
We do have few things in common, I became a 2 seater guy at the age of 6 thanks to neighbor and his 57 Bird. My 1st. name is James, and I use to work in the tire industry. So what were you some kind of car expert at the age of 7?
As I said I don't agree with your assessment of the Crossfire's future, but then you're the Former Tire Store owner/Car Dealer/Accountant/7 year old prodigy so what do I know. Only time will tell, unfortunately I won't be around to see it.
Just to show what nice guy I am, you can have the last word.

 

Its such a goofy looking car to me. Everyone time I come across one I have my own little WTF moment

 

Thanks for you kindness---it's the first that you have shown. I was not posting a " a public resume"---just trying to clear up your misstatement---However, you just stated what your dad and you do or did for a living---for the record, for the last 4 decades, right after "nailing" me with a dig---wow.

As for being proud---well, to answer---yes. Many have done better, many have done worst---I have done okay. Considering that I was not lucky enough to have my dad and mom around. They died in a car wreck when I was 17, so getting through school, taking care of my little brother, with what two 40 year old school teachers, who had large debt and very little life insurance, left two minor children---Yeah, I did okay, and I am proud that I did not turn to drugs and/or booze and my decision not to give up when all was bad!!!

You were not "jokingly" saying---it's called covert hostile or at times openly hostile---for no reason. Why you are so rude and defensive is beyond me. You have insulted me by calling me a "prodigy"---I said I started liking cars about then---that's all---not that I knew them to all ends at 7. If you remember, you are the one that started the 7 thing. You even said that you "know the stereotype of which you speak very well"---just to jab---hostile for no reason.

You jabbed with "turning things around to suit you" remark---I was not turning anything around. I was just stating that your two examples had a WOW factor of racing that helped their collectivity---that was it, and if you reread it, it was not hateful or personal at all. But it must have "touched your nerve" because you came back on a personal level. I have found that when someone is having trouble defending their position they go for personal digs---name calling, yelling, etc. You, like me, have a right to your opinion, but what gives you the right to get personal?

And that fact that I know 47 come before 59 "says it all"---Says what? That I know a number line.You started the young age thing and that was why I was using "closer" rather than "behind"---keeping with the topic I was on. That's not accounting that's just how the numbers fall. I really do not get it.

As for "Sounds like I touched a nerve"---no. I do not know you well enough to care one way or the other. Not "hurt"---More "curious" why you feel you must attack on a personal level when all I did was disagree with good examples in a polite way about the future of our cars .

I do need to apologize for Infinite statement. The quote was "I do not agree with your conclusion. But that is just me! And no offense.... you haven't been around long enough to see what I have seen." It was not from you. but from another member, and I should have checked. I just read that hit on his age, then yours about my age, and incorrectly connected the two---for that I was wrong. As for making friends, I like people, but I was not trying to "win" anyone.

I think our cars fall more towards my examples than your race/ big block muscle examples---that was all. If our cars ALL had big block monster motors like your examples, I would be more likely to agree with you. I gave good reasons why I thought not, and at the MOST tried to clear up your personal jabs---that was it.