With enough $$$$$ anyone can claim to build anything that can beat anything. That is why I don't like to get into these little tiffs...As I have said before on here, having taught EVOC at the academy for a few years, a driver is a big part of any modding...if they can't drive it, it doens't matter what power they have...and if they have the power, they best know how to use it...that mountain will screw up your day...send one out to a track day...love to play......but I just don't see the numbers....and if you are going to spend that much, why not mod an SRT....and gain even more HP...Not long ago, someone argued they could buy a vette, or a porsche, and outrun the srt...last time I looked, this is a crossfire forum...anyway, where else can you find a grt car for 8-10K N/A, 12-15K for an SRT, and have a grt time? Each to their own...but I love the roadster NA, because of the look and the stick....and I wouldn't mod it at all...and I do love the SRT's.....I have two of them for price of 1 vette or Porsche....maybe add an NA roadster to the mix next year...one mod at a time...lol

 

Well I am in England so I think we are worlds apart (and bear in mind there aren't any roads over a quarter mile long here, so it's pretty much all twisties!) but.....my SRT cost me about $4,000 more than my N/A. For that $4k there is absolutely nothing you could do over here to an N/A in any single aspect to get it as good as an SRT! You may just about get the suspension to the same spec for that money, but that still leaves 115hp missing from the engine, brakes, cool factor!!!

 

Say what you want, I play with gt mustangs all the time. Stock, I hold my own. The smaller engined six 2010 Camaros, no big deal. And they are not 12 second cars. Last I heard they were 14.5; 13.9 if you stepped on them some. My brothers SS, pushing close to 450 HP, a whole nuther story. But Crumpy's SRT (a 12.4 sec car) keeps right with him.
Damm chevy's are too heavy.

The newer 2009, 2010 GT mustangs, yes you are right, I did not make that distinction.
I also did not make the distinction that I am talking street racing where 9 times out of ten times the Mustang driver has far too much confidence thinking my wimpy little roadster is a cute wannabie. I don't usualy give them a second chance.

It is a game remember. Best player wins.


roadster with a stick

2010 Camaro SS Quarter Mile Times
GM North America Cheif Engineer Al Oppenheiser released some times and statistics on the 2010 Camaro SS and 2010 Camaro V6 as well.

The 2010 Camaro SS has a 0-60mph time of 4.6 Seconds and a Quarter Mile time of 13.3 @ 108mph with the automatic, and 13.4 @ 108 with the manual transmission.

The V6 Camaro is no slouch either, with its 3.6 liter powerplant, it manages 0-60mph in 6.1 seconds and a Quarter Mile time of 14.5 @ 97mph with the automatic, and 14.7 @ 97mph with the manual.


2010 Camaro SS: 13.4 @ 108mph (automatic)
2010 Camaro LS (V6): 14.5 @ 97mph (automatic)

 

I can't let this go unchallenged. There are a few SRT's out there who will tell you that you are wrong. Not braggin, just sayin. Been there done that.
And done it more than several seconds ahead of the Srt's behind me.

I love my wifes SRT but I accomplished no better times thru the Dragon in it. Hellbender, Oh yeah.

Although Boilerup, I will admit I was exxagerating about the cigar, but not by much. You have apparently never ridden the Hellbender with Jane Bridges.

Honestly,riding with her was the best I've seen an SRT driven in the twisties. And, seen thru the passenger side of the windscreen, an absolute rush. Most excitement I've ever had with a woman and kept my clothes on.

Doc's right though, these "I'm Badder than you" jests don't help friendships. I'll be at the Dragon this fall with both the SRT and the wimpy NA. Be happy to chase anybody thru the turns for Shiztangrins.


roadster with a stick

 

Here is an example:

KBB lists an 05 Limited with 6spd at $10,500.00 with 35K in good condition.
KBB lists an 05 SRT6 at $14,600.00 with 35k in good condition.

All I'm saying is that for the $4,100.00 I can build an NA to out perform a SRT6 on a short twisty track. It will not win on a drag strip, on a large road course, or a circle track. In autocross or a tight track it will win.

That is all I'm saying.

So if anyone lives on a track and wants to have better then SRT like performance then give me a call.

 

Franc,

I have run the dragon with you several times, both directly in front of and behind you. I can attest to the fact that you have skills driving that six speed.You keep it on the power band and never brake in the turns, and exit the turns powerfully. Dare I say better than many SRT's that I have run with. But the point I think Doc is making and some are missing is that we drove it within our ability levels, pushed our cars a bit, and had a total blast! I remember talking with you right after a run in the lot at Deals gap. We both had big wide grins. To me that is what the Dragon is about. On the dragon it is all about rythm and when it comes together it is like dancing with your Crossfire. Now hell bender ...thats another story and another kind of driving.

 

Franc, I know this will make absolutely no impression on andyd in England. But Alex (SRT6nTulsa) paid "us" a very flattering compliment in the 12th post from this old thread.

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-co-drive.html

Unfortunately, the two SRT's I "hung with" on the Hellbender are no longer active. But John "The Toy" commented on my "Stock" Crossfire in post 18 of this thread.

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post205545

 

I miss Alex.
That was my first Dragon. Kinda like the first "time" if ya know what I mean. I had a wonderful experience with new friends.

Thanks for the reminder of that weekend.

 

Thanks. It was fun runnig with you as well.

Isn't it interesting how Hellbender and the Dragon are right there together yet are two very different experiences?

franc

 

Looking at the replies I think my comments have been taken out of the context that I intended and I didn't mean to offend anyone - least of all other Crossfire owners!

Here in the UK we are not blessed with the likes of TVT, Needswings, Eurocharged, basically anyone who knows what they are doing with the Crossfire and can do it for a reasonable price! The cost of parts and labour for even minor mods is absolutely extortionate so bang for buck the SRT can't be beat here.

Regards, Andy.

 

You seem to forget the black N/A that was right behind you. I was reading this post at home last night and Molly even spoke up (she was riding shotgun at the time).....

All I am saying is that when the SRT guys say 'I am not pushing it that hard' but their tires are squeeling something fierce in every turn, it speaks for itself.

I will be at the Dragon Friday-Monday, anyone want to have some fun, NA or SRT, lets have at it (as long as we don't get stuck behind a damn MR2 )

 

BoilerUp... Here is your next race opponet. You better put a ZEX kit in your car to keep up. And it is an NA also. No supercharger on this

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Andy, I for one wasn't offended by anything you said, and I really don't think anybody else was either. My point was that my 100% STOCK Crossfire was able to hang with a few "stock" SRT's whose owners had comparable driving skills to mine, on the Dragon and the Hellbender. I never had the pleasure of chasing after Dr.Jane Bridges, (who has a lot of track experience and training) in one of her SRT's.
On any road that has a lot more straights than curves, the SRT's power would come shining thru, and it would be next to impossible for a stock NA to keep up. It would be foolish to even try. But on a much tighter course, then the playing field is a little more level (so to speak).
These cars make any driver a better driver than they really are, and let many of us get away with "manuvers" we never would attempt in practically any other car. I think that's the main reason most of us just can't stop driving them, and why the Dragon run is one of our most popular GTG's.

 

but do you understand you are holding yourself against not so great drivers? I have owned both cars, even a 99-04 GTs will walk away from a stock 6 speed. The car is capable, but drivers? Not everyone. I have been at dragstrips many many times and raced many many times and i have seen so many people running horrible times with some badass cars. i.e. new mustang GTs running mid high 14s. c5 z06s running low 13s. 03 cobras running low 13s. c6 z06s running 12s, etc.

with my 03 cobra i was right at a Heads, cam, intake, exhaust, tune +procharged 630rwhp z06 at one of my races. and that CAR had the ***** the literally rape my 03 cobra but that day, i out drove the other driver.

So you are out driving those GT drivers, thats all. props to your skills.

 

Damn Beaner, that is cold, especially coming from someone who would not even run through the twisties

All I am saying is that I can keep up through most of it, I am NOT saying that I could beat an SRT under ANY circumstances, just that in the twisties I CAN keep up, I have video to prove it

 

LIE!!!!!!!!

If the import tuner guys can get 100 more HP from a "nos" sticker then you gotta be gettin somewhere in the neighborhood of 400-500 HP from that sweet hood! Add to that the fact that you can cut back on drag by keeping the wing down the whole time and you're sure to destroy a SRT!

 

350ish....and when the V6 Juice runs dry?

 

Thanks Steve, now EVERYBODY knows my secret. I've been outed. ...

 

UH, like, I think that is what I said.

Machinery is only half the equation.

It's like fast draw gunslingers. Wyatt Earp used to say that to be a successful fast draw gunfighter meant that you draw slowly, purposely and with careful precision...But you do so very fast.

What many here are saying is that they are doing respectably well with the Crossies, despite the stats from the engineers. While the car is exdtrodinary in it's ability to amplify the skill of the driver, as Firemax has suggested, the driver is still a significant part of the equation.

My Production manager has a 2004 GT Mustang with a cobra body kit and a tune. Right now on the street he has a slight edge doing 1/4 mile sprints barely nosing ahead. Stats say he ought to whip me easy.
We go into twisties and by the third turn he is looking out his side windows to see where the road went. 'Cause it ain't in front of him anymore.

And me,he doesn't see anymore, 'cause I'm gone.

I worry because he is learning to draw slow, and with purpose.


roadster with a stick

 

And the vette was slowing me up...and this is why I don't go all out. We would get someone hurt trying to chase the other...we will see what Franc can set up with the closed track at St. Louis...but the Dragon has some areas that aren't condusive to all out...rear end lifts, front end pushes, it is more for the sport bike guys, which is what I would prefer....this fall, if no rain like last year....and little warmer temps....we will give her a go again...but not to the point of getting someone hurt...that vette just about lost it more than once, then he started cutting corners, which many of our members do as well, and that isn't safe at the dragon...