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Old 01-05-2010 | 07:43 PM
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I was checking the age cause below a certain age people believe that they are safe because there are spare parts available.

As you get older you realize that there are NO spare parts, at that point you get more conservative. Woody

I still remember a few tricks I did, and with some luck I survived them.
 
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Old 01-05-2010 | 08:12 PM
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Agree..... I would love to be "INVINCEABLE" again.... age tends to squash that with knowledge

Enjoy your youth. Hopefully you will survive it and not harm any others...
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyshadow
Bladecutter, calm down dude... live your life a little. what you call stupid I call exciting and what you call careless I call courageous. As for hitting another car on a back country mountain road at 1am with a lead car running 1/2 ahead on comm. is really unlikely. BUT, I see what your saying.
Ha!

Oddly enough, I live my life quite well, and enjoy it fully.
I spent enough time on the track this summer with my car, my gf Bat with her Crossfire, and a couple of other friends to know not only what our cars can do, but what we as drivers can't do.

5 track days in the Boxster, Crossfire, and a GTI all tell me that I have a better clue what I'm doing behind the wheel now than I did a year ago. I can tell when the back end of my car is stepping out, and I know how to bring the rear end of a Porsche back under control after its stepped out, which isn't a small feat.

And yet I still get to play up in the mountains, tearing them up with glee, and yet, I never need to cross over the center lines, and put anyone else's lives in jeopardy during my drives.

Here's the videos to prove it too:

This one is 4 laps of High Plains Raceway:
YouTube - hpr trackday

Here's the first video we took shortly after getting the Crossfire:
YouTube - Baseline RD 11-28

And a couple more videos:
YouTube - Magnolia Road
YouTube - Sugarloaf Road
YouTube - Sugarloaf Road headed down

Notice that there wasn't any double line crossing, nor was there any hitting of guardrails, or replacing of body panels required. I bet I had more fun than you did, too.
Notice the lack of guard rails in the track video, no double yellow lines to cross over, not to mention the considerably faster speeds, tighter turns, elevation changes, and the fact that there is plenty of space between cars to prevent massive accidents.

Thats why at the track, no one seems to mind sharing the road regardless if you are driving a Ferrari 430, Honda Civic, a Porsche GT3, VW GTI, or a '98 Boxster. We all get to have fun, while pushing our cars harder and harder with every lap, and no one has to have a wrecker called to bring them back home afterwards.

So my life is pretty damn good.
Concentrate on your own for a while.

Your "Exciting" and "Courageous" choices are endangering people's lives.
Yours, your friend's, and whomever the poor soul is that gets caught up in your antics.

BC.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 04:24 AM
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Skyshadow,

You said your brakes got so hot they were glowing red. There is a good chance you boiled your brake fluid. Once that is done, they will never work as well until you drain and replace it. If you want to drive aggressively, consider a fluid that is race rated.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hangman
I hope you never get into an accident with another car doing this.. but in the unfortunate case that you do and some dies, I surely hope its you and not the passengers in the other cars. It helps to thin out the herd sorta speak..

just my $0.02
Your a f*****g idiot, just my $0.02. What type of retarded sense of Darwinism is that? If I am to crash into someone and die then it would be in fates hands. To wish my death cause you think I'm somehow inferior, for enjoying my car, is idiotic! You all speak like you were some beautiful perfect being as you grew up. look into your past and your dumb decisions before you go into quickly judging someone you have never even met. There is little difference between my sport and your weak *** stop light to stop light racing that you know you all do. Mine just requires skill and planning.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 03:23 PM
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Well, you should have known how some would react to the video. I got similar responses to a video of mine (not on this forum) on a race track that resulted in a 360º spin. I will say that the consequences of driving at the limit can be equal or worse than the thrill. Not to mention that many of us "older teenagers" have lost friends or family on the transportation system. I had an accident where someone almost died and it took me years to get over it, and I was the innocent party. Thanks for the video, it's a useful reminder to some of us .... but an outrage to others. At the track they preach safety first in a dangerous sport. Take care of the brakes (racing fluid, stainless steel lines and appropriate pads). Get the car right again and enjoy it.

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Old 01-06-2010 | 04:42 PM
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Maybe this will appeal to your sense of Mine just requires skill and planning.

Online videos are admissible as prior intent and generally are seen dimly by your peers. All 12 of them.

Might consider that, my attorneys do. Woody

Oh yeah, they found the White house emails that bush and **** (Dic k) lost, if it is out there it is out there.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hangman
I hope you never get into an accident with another car doing this.. but in the unfortunate case that you do and some dies, I surely hope its you and not the passengers in the other cars. It helps to thin out the herd sorta speak..

just my $0.02
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Your a f*****g idiot, just my $0.02. What type of retarded sense of Darwinism is that?
he's probably referring to "thinning the herd" of the stupid, ha

Further evidence of your stupidity:
1. posting the video on here, probably thinking you were cool to have crashed in such a "***** to the wall" (i.e. moronic) way
2. posting it online at all, because as waldig mentioned, if you later have any accident and someone has seen the video, or searches for one, etc. then it can be used against you ... especially since you supposedly gave your real name in the other thread: Cpl Huff, 1st Reconnaissance Co. of I MHG; Camp Pendleton, CA 92055
3. logo/sticker on your back bumper
 

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Old 01-06-2010 | 05:22 PM
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i wasnt going to say anything due to the immense amount of stupid things i did as a kid.
let me say this... when you post videos on here you are doing so at the risk of getting negative input. i have been condemed and again praised on here. a little thicker skin is a good thing and remember we all want to take our cars to the edge but safely. i have lost more than a few friends riding harleys racing and from life in general. nobody wants you to have an accident that could change your life forever.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyshadow
Your a f*****g idiot, just my $0.02. What type of retarded sense of Darwinism is that? If I am to crash into someone and die then it would be in fates hands. To wish my death cause you think I'm somehow inferior, for enjoying my car, is idiotic! You all speak like you were some beautiful perfect being as you grew up. look into your past and your dumb decisions before you go into quickly judging someone you have never even met. There is little difference between my sport and your weak *** stop light to stop light racing that you know you all do. Mine just requires skill and planning.
Ya know kido, with your know it all attitude, and your stupid, sensless driving habits, I doubt very much if your future looks very bright. I hope you can live half as long as some of us, without killing any inocent people in the process. My parents were killed by a drunk driver 50 years ago, I was in the car and survived the crash(no seat belts or air bags then,) that is something you never get over---THINK ABOUT IT !!!!
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 05:32 PM
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It's all good.

Have some fun and let-er-rip.... Just be ready to pay the consequences if required.

It's all about pickin' the right place and the right time.

We have a rip'n canyon close by my house. Very deserted in the early AM on the weekends. No crossroads, a few dirt driveways but no homes from top to the bottom except a gated dirt access road to the Comm Towers on top of the mountain. There use to be no cell phone or police radio reception in the canyon - but that's changed.

We post a car at the bottom to stop all traffic going up and then let-er-rip coming down. then turn around and rip it going back up. It's got some nice high speed turns and some sharp twisties. What a blast.......



 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyshadow
There is little difference between my sport and your weak *** stop light to stop light racing that you know you all do. Mine just requires skill and planning.
If you call that a sport, then you deserve what you get. I just hope that some innocent person doesn't have to pay the ultimate price for your "sport". And, the previous post was talking about Darwin's law of natural selection. The weak and stupid die early deaths, while the smart and strong survive to reproduce. The problem with today's technological advances, and all of the warning labels on dangerous products is that more and more idiots now survive to reproduce 2nd generation idiots. I guess time will tell if you survive the selection process.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 07:09 PM
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Your a f*****g idiot, just my $0.02. What type of retarded sense of Darwinism is that? If I am to crash into someone and die then it would be in fates hands. To wish my death cause you think I'm somehow inferior, for enjoying my car, is idiotic! You all speak like you were some beautiful perfect being as you grew up. look into your past and your dumb decisions before you go into quickly judging someone you have never even met. There is little difference between my sport and your weak *** stop light to stop light racing that you know you all do. Mine just requires skill and planning.
The thing that bothers me is that you've admitted doing this sort of racing is a dumb decision...

Did you turn T/C off via the center console or did you pull the fuse? If you pulled the fuse you probably heated your brakes up because you no longer had ABS.

Dude I pray you make it through your 20's.
 
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Old 01-06-2010 | 11:33 PM
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Okay, Skyshadow, I have to respond...

I watched your video and reserved my opinion until I did so. After viewing it, I think your own description of "failure" is apt in every way.

Several things I'd like to say and I am begging you to put your ego and your testosterone on the back burner long enough to just consider my words.

First, you and your "crew" are damn lucky. And it is most definitely luck not skill or courage. And luck like that doesn't last forever. You and your friends need to get yourselves to a track and learn how to drive because I have to tell you, that was some of the worst canyon driving I have seen in my life and I'm talking well before the crash.

I have the good fortune to live within minutes of some of the best driving roads in the States. I have spent the last 20 years driving the canyons in all kinds of cars and on several different motorcycles. I am definitely a spirited driver and I perfectly understand the thrill it brings. But here's the rub, you need to drive the road, not careen out of control down it. All I saw in that video was someone who has no idea what cornering actually is. Seriously now, there was not even the barest attempt to keep it in the lines which means most of the time you are going down a curvy road as straight as you can. I am telling you from first hand experience, learning how to properly take a curve is INFINITELY more thrilling then just pointing your vehicle downhill and basically crossing your fingers to make it to the bottom in one piece (which, um, you didn't even accomplish that as you have shown us).

Now, don't get pissed off over the bare facts that you yourself provided. Instead, take the incentive and get your butt to the track and learn what you can really do with these cars. Quit relying on luck and truly develop skill. I absolutely guarantee you will enjoy driving more then you ever thought possible. And you won't have to rely on so much luck.

My daughter is in her first year of driving with her own car. I've taken her down some twisties and the first thing I explained to her was that if she couldn't corner within the lane, then she was going way too fast for her skill level. Because that is the fact, pure and simple. Ask any racer, it's all about the line. With the perfect line comes the perfect speed and the satisfaction of knowing you are ripping a curve with true skill not dumb luck.

Back to the luck again...someone with an attitude much like the one you are displaying in this thread crossed paths with me two years ago on a mountain road. He was going way too fast and couldn't keep it in the lines. He crossed over into my lane on a curve and in less than a second, I was eating pavement due to the fact that my open lane was now occupied by some selfish ******* who couldn't care less who his lack of skills hurt. I was on a motorcycle and was damn lucky not to have been killed. Btw, he ran, not even taking the time to see if I survived. My life forever changed due to one guy crossing over the double yellows.

I'm not just asking, I am begging you to find the true courage of this encounter - admitting you need to improve your skills and take it from the street to the track. And take your friends with you. Do it for yourselves and do it for us - the ones who know how to drive and deserve the joy of canyon driving just as much as you. I dare say more. Because I know it's about not only driving fast but about driving well. I forever strive to be the kind of driver and rider that my cars and bikes deserve.
 
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Old 01-07-2010 | 12:25 AM
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Okay, Skyshadow, I have to respond...

I watched your video and reserved my opinion until I did so. After viewing it, I think your own description of "failure" is apt in every way.

Several things I'd like to say and I am begging you to put your ego and your testosterone on the back burner long enough to just consider my words.

First, you and your "crew" are damn lucky. And it is most definitely luck not skill or courage. And luck like that doesn't last forever. You and your friends need to get yourselves to a track and learn how to drive because I have to tell you, that was some of the worst canyon driving I have seen in my life and I'm talking well before the crash.

I have the good fortune to live within minutes of some of the best driving roads in the States. I have spent the last 20 years driving the canyons in all kinds of cars and on several different motorcycles. I am definitely a spirited driver and I perfectly understand the thrill it brings. But here's the rub, you need to drive the road, not careen out of control down it. All I saw in that video was someone who has no idea what cornering actually is. Seriously now, there was not even the barest attempt to keep it in the lines which means most of the time you are going down a curvy road as straight as you can. I am telling you from first hand experience, learning how to properly take a curve is INFINITELY more thrilling then just pointing your vehicle downhill and basically crossing your fingers to make it to the bottom in one piece (which, um, you didn't even accomplish that as you have shown us).

Now, don't get pissed off over the bare facts that you yourself provided. Instead, take the incentive and get your butt to the track and learn what you can really do with these cars. Quit relying on luck and truly develop skill. I absolutely guarantee you will enjoy driving more then you ever thought possible. And you won't have to rely on so much luck.

My daughter is in her first year of driving with her own car. I've taken her down some twisties and the first thing I explained to her was that if she couldn't corner within the lane, then she was going way too fast for her skill level. Because that is the fact, pure and simple. Ask any racer, it's all about the line. With the perfect line comes the perfect speed and the satisfaction of knowing you are ripping a curve with true skill not dumb luck.

Back to the luck again...someone with an attitude much like the one you are displaying in this thread crossed paths with me two years ago on a mountain road. He was going way too fast and couldn't keep it in the lines. He crossed over into my lane on a curve and in less than a second, I was eating pavement due to the fact that my open lane was now occupied by some selfish ******* who couldn't care less who his lack of skills hurt. I was on a motorcycle and was damn lucky not to have been killed. Btw, he ran, not even taking the time to see if I survived. My life forever changed due to one guy crossing over the double yellows.

I'm not just asking, I am begging you to find the true courage of this encounter - admitting you need to improve your skills and take it from the street to the track. And take your friends with you. Do it for yourselves and do it for us - the ones who know how to drive and deserve the joy of canyon driving just as much as you. I dare say more. Because I know it's about not only driving fast but about driving well. I forever strive to be the kind of driver and rider that my cars and bikes deserve.
I agree with this completely... each and every word.
 
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Old 01-07-2010 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyshadow
Your a f*****g idiot, just my $0.02. What type of retarded sense of Darwinism is that? If I am to crash into someone and die then it would be in fates hands. To wish my death cause you think I'm somehow inferior, for enjoying my car, is idiotic! You all speak like you were some beautiful perfect being as you grew up. look into your past and your dumb decisions before you go into quickly judging someone you have never even met. There is little difference between my sport and your weak *** stop light to stop light racing that you know you all do. Mine just requires skill and planning.
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would notice that I start out by saying I wish you will never get into an accident with another vehicle. The reference to you dying was refering to the unfortunate event that when you do lose control and crash into an innocent vehicle (which will happen eventually if you keep this up). In such event, I will reiterate that if someone dies I surely do hope that it is you who perish and not any innocent people. You meantion that if you die then it would be in fate's hands. Yes it will, but your character is evident by your lack of thought for what could happen to other pople who you crash into. You are quick to assume that everyone is an idiot like you and race their cars outside of a closed course track environment. You are also quick to point out how good your "skills and planning" are and you defend your actions by your "skill and planning". Of course, you already demonstrated the mastery of your "skills and planning" and impressing all of us here by your demonstration in that video. You are a true tool.. albiet not a very sharp one...

oh.. and yes.. it does help to thin out the herd...

again.. just my $0.02
 

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Old 01-07-2010 | 09:28 AM
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Note to self:

Don't post videos of myself doing stupid stuff that the "guys" will chastise me for!!!!

 
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Old 01-07-2010 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Note to self:

Don't post videos of myself doing stupid stuff that the "guys" will chastise me for!!!!
The problem isn't that he screwed up, and damaged his car, it's how PROUD he is of street racing, driving like a tool on the open roads, and how he has no concerns for other people's safety.

Look at my videos and compare them to his video.
I'm driving at a good clip, but I'm keeping it on my side of the road, and I never even have anything that even resembles an "oh sh*t!!" moment.

I have seen the aftermath of people like him countless times.
A couple motorcyclists here in Colorado lost their lives near the end of the season because of that type of behavior up in the canyons. Poor girl on a sport bike hit her friend who lost control of his bike, and she was thrown over a guardrail, and down a 100 foot drop.

BC.
 
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Old 01-08-2010 | 04:46 PM
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I'm not proud of it Bladecutter(why would i be proud to have to pay $2200 in repairs?), but I'm not going to hide that it happened. I got it on video and thought members may like to see it, and i was wrong. I saw it as a learning experience but i see that all you didnt.
 
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Old 01-08-2010 | 05:08 PM
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Skyshadow, In an internet forum, its really hard to tell the true intention of people's comments, since the physical and emotional aspect of communication is usually not present in just plain text that you read. I think you took the criticisms here incorrectly, as well as some on here took (some) your responses incorrectly. The way I see it, the folks here on the forum responded they way they do (myself included) is because when we watched that video, there is true concern from us here that your skills still leave a lot of room for improvement and that one day you will get injured or injure others with your actions. Of course, non of us here wants that hence you got the many recommendations to take it to the track instead and stop doing this on public streets. Notice that no one says you should not do this or have other fun on a track, just that what you did on the street was not the brightest idea...

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