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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
Curiuos what feedback the ecu needs from the auto trans to operate.
In other applications I've seen diff fuel maps for idle vs driving.. in a manual conversion of that nature, you simply hardwire the gear shift lever to operate in drive when necessary. Anyone willing to disconnect the connection of the trans and ecu to see? If only a transmission light comes on and vehicle still runs.. there might be hope?!?!
Here's some good reading from the HDDP Engine Conversion Bible. (If you haven't already seen it).

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...splant-16.html
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:26 PM
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
Looks like a Cayenne?

Now can we stay on topic???! stop thread jacking
sorry not trying the thread jack, back on topic read the link that is posted it is long but you will see it is doable but not the smartest decisions.


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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:33 PM
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NO worries.
Have read through the link.. all of it.
Pretty different scenario than streetable... becuase we'd need to retian stock harness.

Definitely don't want to pay someone to do this.. my project

Maybe they can lend some info though ???
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Has anyone tried an SRT6 engine in a manual vehicle

Originally Posted by drezbim
Curiuos what feedback the ecu needs from the auto trans to operate.
In other applications I've seen diff fuel maps for idle vs driving.. in a manual conversion of that nature, you simply hardwire the gear shift lever to operate in drive when necessary. Anyone willing to disconnect the connection of the trans and ecu to see? If only a transmission light comes on and vehicle still runs.. there might be hope?!?!
If you read thru HDDP's thread you'll find answers to all your questions he documented everything pretty well, including ecu issues.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
NO worries.
Have read through the link.. all of it.
Pretty different scenario than streetable... becuase we'd need to retian stock harness.

Definitely don't want to pay someone to do this.. my project

Maybe they can lend some info though ???

are you still hard set on doing the srt motor and tell me why you want the srt motor so we can answer your question. If it is power than you can get that power using different solutions which will be better. Maybe slap a used supercharger of a wrecked c32 and add a piggy back to account for boost from House of power or AEM. maybe do the sts turbo but piece it together yourself or maybe you can wait for the v6 fully built 3.8l which does around 400hp and still uses stock ecu and everything so no electronic issue. DO what lantana is doing a V8 drop in and use the knowledge from kanzuz and lantana.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stogey
If you read thru HDDP's thread you'll find answers to all your questions he documented everything pretty well, including ecu issues.
I did.. and if I misread please help me understand.
He used Motec M600... for ignition control.
He wasn't trying to integrate a stock ecu... so it's a pretty different scenario.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
NO worries.
Have read through the link.. all of it.
Pretty different scenario than streetable... becuase we'd need to retian stock harness.

Definitely don't want to pay someone to do this.. my project

Maybe they can lend some info though ???

off topic you have been a registered member is 2006 but why post now i think you have had more posts in one day then your whole time on the board. Have you owned a crossfire since 06 and now have the bug to get more power
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by faiz23
off topic you have been a registered member is 2006 but why post now i think you have had more posts in one day then your whole time on the board. Have you owned a crossfire since 06 and now have the bug to get more power
yeah.. pretty curious what my options are.
want to learn from experiences already..
what i've learned thus far:

srt6 can be mated up to manual trans - check.
must use appropriate flywheel and clutch - check.
srt6ecu can be used on a different car - check.
srt6 auto trans ecu can be used on a manual trans car - ???
 

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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
yeah.. pretty curious what my options are.
want to learn from experiences already..
what i've learned thus far:

srt6 auto trans can be used on a manual trans - ???
Now I think we're starting to "Boldly go where no man has gone before".
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 01:57 PM
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oops..
meant to say.. ecu from an auto car used on a manual car.

just edited orig post.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
oops..
meant to say.. ecu from an auto car used on a manual car.

just edited orig post.

i am gonna try to answer this but i might need someone to back me up


i think auto ecu in a manual car is no go since the ecu will look for certain shift points and communicate with the control module for the transmission. Also we have the issue of the ecu wanting the car to be in park before it starts the car. I think you will have many more issues that that and if you truly want an auto it might be best to go with the stand alone AEM ecu and replace the stock ecu all together.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 02:14 PM
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Being accused of "Thread Jacking" I will leave with this, You shouldn't make the accusation then post a page of boring un impressive who cares photos of something you'll never actually buy and This V8 swap It too will never happen. I just was defending the Crossfire SRT's V6 which the whole car was designed around. What spring rates will you go to when you drop in that V8 or did you fail to realize that too will have to be swapped out. How about the Tank Fuel pump? This is why engine swaps are usually left on the Drawing board. They are not for the faint of heart.
Good day,
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Old 05-14-2009 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Crossfire
Being accused of "Thread Jacking" I will leave with this, You shouldn't make the accusation then post a page of boring un impressive who cares photos of something you'll never actually buy and This V8 swap It too will never happen. I just was defending the Crossfire SRT's V6 which the whole car was designed around. What spring rates will you go to when you drop in that V8 or did you fail to realize that too will have to be swapped out. How about the Tank Fuel pump? This is why engine swaps are usually left on the Drawing board. They are not for the faint of heart.
Good day,
Mike
i am confused what are you trying to say that posting pictures of a car that you are looking at buying is a big no no or what. are you talking about me posting pics of the porsche or talking about dropping a v8 or what.


i think the weight difference from a v6-v8 is not that big like 100lbs or so i will have to look it up. Drop some koni adjustable shocks or coilovers and you have taken care of suspension. Retrofit the c32 4 piston brembo brakes and you have enough power to stop.

Also about posting pics of the porsche i will never own i do not understand why is it not possible to own a porsche that cost 30k.

you want me to get into nitty gritty details. I bought my car for $17k plus ttl and only finance 13k in nov 08 as of now i only owe 9k. Carmax offered me a straigh buy out at $16k so i have equity of 7k to use as a down payment. 30k car minus the 7k equity plus 4k down i would only finance 19k which is $350 a month which is easy. so please enlighten me what made you so mad to post that up.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Crossfire
Cute little car,
Generally isn't the Guy supposed to have the SRT? Then the women buy the Miata I mean Roadster.
Mike
You never met the woman.
Besides, I like the stick so I settled. Now, thanks to cleverly buying mine first, I get to drive both.

Your problem?


roadster with a stick
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 03:21 PM
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Can you guys take that discussion off thread? Thanks.

Originally Posted by faiz23
i am gonna try to answer this but i might need someone to back me up


i think auto ecu in a manual car is no go since the ecu will look for certain shift points and communicate with the control module for the transmission. Also we have the issue of the ecu wanting the car to be in park before it starts the car. I think you will have many more issues that that and if you truly want an auto it might be best to go with the stand alone AEM ecu and replace the stock ecu all together.
.. this is what I want to discuss
Agreed.. it looks for the shift points in order to actuate the transmission changes.. but the power curve wouldn't be changed would it? If it's actuating shift points only [or not in a manual scenario], and it's not also limiting power, then I wouldn't care would I?
As far as park goes... i can convince the car that it's in park easily.. and drive or whatever other gear... that's just a linear potentiometer that would change positions using the gear shift. I've done this a few times in other vehicles successfully already.

Bottom line - as long as the engine runs - and the ecu doesn't look for transmission feedback to change power curve.. then having a transmission control function in fault mode all the time seems like its not a big deal.

THoughts??
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 03:27 PM
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Can you guys take that discussion off thread? Thanks.



.. this is what I want to discuss
Agreed.. it looks for the shift points in order to actuate the transmission changes.. but the power curve wouldn't be changed would it? If it's actuating shift points only [or not in a manual scenario], and it's not also limiting power, then I wouldn't care would I?
As far as park goes... i can convince the car that it's in park easily.. and drive or whatever other gear... that's just a linear potentiometer that would change positions using the gear shift. I've done this a few times in other vehicles successfully already.

Bottom line - as long as the engine runs - and the ecu doesn't look for transmission feedback to change power curve.. then having a transmission control function in fault mode all the time seems like its not a big deal.

THoughts??

see this is where it is over my head as i have not studied the crossfire ecu in detail and you would want to ask a tuner. Have you downloaded the service manual in the srt section there is a sticky and try to read the schematics and diagrams.
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drezbim
I did.. and if I misread please help me understand.
He used Motec M600... for ignition control.
He wasn't trying to integrate a stock ecu... so it's a pretty different scenario.
I assume that we went the direction he went for not being able to incorporate the stock ECU. Again, that is an assumption on my part. I did follow the thread during the build for a while just to see how things would work out. I suggest you go straight to the Horse and send HDDP a PM with your concerns as he is the one and only who has successfully incorporated the SRT power plant into a N/A XFire.
Unless you're just looking for a bunch of useless chit chat then I would say proceed in your current direction !
 
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Old 05-14-2009 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stogey
I assume that we went the direction he went for not being able to incorporate the stock ECU. Again, that is an assumption on my part. I did follow the thread during the build for a while just to see how things would work out. I suggest you go straight to the Horse and send HDDP a PM with your concerns as he is the one and only who has successfully incorporated the SRT power plant into a N/A XFire.
Unless you're just looking for a bunch of useless chit chat then I would say proceed in your current direction !
Ah! icic.
I think/thought it was because he wanted to spend some time tweaking after he made his modifications... complete control..

ref his quote :
OEM electronics were gutted since the car is strictly a track car.

I will make an attempt to contact him to find out the exact reason.
Thanks all!
 

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