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Old 11-19-2008 | 08:38 AM
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Capitol Hill used the Crossfire as a focal point to slam the Big 3 this morning. They said the Crossfire is an example of a car that cost the US some jobs, being that it was completely built overseas. A picture of the X-fire was held up to emphasize their point. Chrysler admitted the mistake and said they killed off the X-fire for that reason.

 

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Old 11-19-2008 | 09:24 AM
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Capitol Hill used the Crossfire as a focal point to slam the Big 3 this morning. They said the Crossfire is an example of a car that cost the US some jobs, being that it was completely built overseas. A picture of the X-fire was held up to emphasize their point. Chrysler admitted the mistake and said they killed off the X-fire for that reason.
*cough cough*

You know what my response would have been: "GUILTY AS CHARGED, this was the best damn car we've sold in the last decade. What does this tell you about US labor and management?"
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 09:33 AM
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Gasp gasp.

I think the point is that it may be a fine car, BUT it was SOLD here. Not MADE here.

Point taken, S.
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by klamathpro
Capitol Hill used the Crossfire as a focal point to slam the Big 3 this morning. They said the Crossfire is an example of a car that cost the US some jobs, being that it was completely built overseas. A picture of the X-fire was held up to emphasize their point. Chrysler admitted the mistake and said they killed off the X-fire for that reason.
Well, since I'm bias, opinionated, and will also defend my presious Crossfire from any form of attack, wether it be verbal, phsyical, or anything else, I only have this to say.

The morons at Capitol Hill do have a point, but it is a very small point, and even then, it doesn't mean anything.
Overall they are probably just jealous because they all own SUVs, with sh*tty fuel ecenomy (sp?).


In conclusion, this is my reply to the morons at Capitol Hill:
 

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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:04 AM
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How is it a very small point? I'd say its a good example of a big part of the problem.

You think that the people on capital hill are jealous of the Crossfire? Chris WTF are you on about?

I think the main issue that the "hill boys" had with the car is not exactly on how great of a car it is but that a domestic car company had a car made in a different country with non domestic workers. From their POV why not have made the Crossfire in America with American workers. Not because they are jealous Chris.
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:08 AM
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with the out of control union wages why not make cars for 1/3 the cost in other countries. what about all those imports that are built outside the usa and shipped here? what about all the other "domestic" cars that are built in canada or mexico?
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:09 AM
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How is it a very small point? I'd say its a good example of a big part of the problem.

You think that the people on capital hill are jealous of the Crossfire? Chris WTF are you on about?

I think the main issue that the "hill boys" had with the car is not exactly on how great of a car it is but that a domestic car company had a car made in a different country with non domestic workers. From their POV why not have made the Crossfire in America with American workers. Not because they are jealous Chris.
I'm not on anything.

I've learned that when someone disrespects your vehicle, it means that they are jealous.

PROVE ME WRONG!
 

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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:21 AM
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Your not on anything, shoulden't you be taking those pills?

I've dissed on alot of Cavaliers and Civics that are riced out with wings and wood spoilers, I assure you, I am not jealous.


with the out of control union wages why not make cars for 1/3 the cost in other countries. what about all those imports that are built outside the usa and shipped here? what about all the other "domestic" cars that are built in canada or mexico?
What the capitol can do which would be a ***** move would be to increase import taxes on "import" vehicles. Problem is Toyotas and Subarus and all these other countries are making their cars in America nowadays. But at least any oversea imports would be discouraged with such high taxes.
 

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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:27 AM
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I've dissed on alot of Cavaliers and Civics that are riced out with wings and wood spoilers, I assure you, I am not jealous.

Don't dis the Cavalier, I used to own a 1998 Cavalier Z24 Convertible, but my brother owns it now.

Before you even try to bash it, it's completely stock, no modifications.

But it's a simple law of nature that all Honda Civics, just like all Ford vehicles, inheriently suck.

Kit Fox, I've told you before, the term "ricer" only applies to vehicles which are not made by ammerican companies.
There is no way that the Cavalier can be considered a ricer, since it was made by Chevrolet, which is an american company.
 

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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:37 AM
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Chris I proved you wrong but you also changed your previous post now it seems like your saying something completely different. After someone replies to it and then you change it it makes things sound a bit weird.

BTW, the big 3 CEO's flew into the Capitol Hill on their private company jets cost approximately $20,000...... http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallSt...6285739&page=1
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:45 AM
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But at least any oversea imports would be discouraged with such high taxes.
My opinion is that foreign car imports shouldn't be discouraged at all - American car companies should be allowed to compete in a free market economy without external price pressures.

Import Tariffs, Federal Bailouts, etc. all lead to the same problem: American car companies making mediocre vehicles. American car companies not leading in performance, quality, fuel economy, or anything else. American car companies not streamlining production and lowering costs. Americans not making vehicles that customers want and will sell off the lots.

In my opinion, automakers should be building on pull-and-flow systems with automated ordering systems at car dealerships and vastly improved car delivery systems. A single automobile should be able to be ordered and delivered to a dealership in less than a month. The dealership should then drive the car to the customer's home to complete the sale. Manufacturing should use less labor and more automation and car model offerings should be reduced to a minimal number of platforms per manufacturer. With less old stock on the lots, car manufacturers can phase in improvements within weeks rather than months. Recalls will involve hundreds of cars rather than tens of thousands of them. Warranty work will involve shipping customer cars to factory regional "servicing centers" where repairs are done with a centralized, consistent, well-trained staff and parts distribution center.
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 10:50 AM
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...Chrysler admitted the mistake and said they killed off the X-fire for that reason.
LOL. Didn’t Daimler-Benz AG sell its portion of Chrysler to Cerberus Capital Management, at a huge loss, in August of ’07?
Perhaps that affected Chrysler LLC’s ability to source imported platforms from them.

Note that Mercedes has borrowed a page from the Asian manufacturers by screwing their R, GL, and ML vehicles together in Tuscaloosa County, Alabama. Sans the UAW, and conveniently utilizing 65% of their parts content from “the NAFTA region.” Have they therefore become a domestic manufacturer? One could argue that they have.

www.mbusi.com/pages/products_home.asp

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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:17 AM
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with the out of control union wages why not make cars for 1/3 the cost in other countries. what about all those imports that are built outside the usa and shipped here? what about all the other "domestic" cars that are built in canada or mexico?
If it were not for the "out of control union wages" there would be few people here that could afford a Crossfire. In skilled trades the union wages determine the non union wage level... Of course we could always go back to the "sweat shop" days..The major problem in this country is the importation of Chinese products which have gutted our manufacturing infrastructure....Short term profit....greed....screw the worker....
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kit Fox
I think the main issue that the "hill boys" had with the car is not exactly on how great of a car it is but that a domestic car company had a car made in a different country with non domestic workers. From their POV why not have made the Crossfire in America with American workers. Not because they are jealous Chris.
If this car would have been built here in the US, it would have cost three times more than the orginal selling price of the XFire. Sorry but IMHO Unions had their hay day way back when and have since priced themselves out of the world job market.
I apologize if this offends any of the Brotherhood who maybe reading this.
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:29 AM
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If it were not for the "out of control union wages" there would be few people here that could afford a Crossfire. In skilled trades the union wages determine the non union wage level... Of course we could always go back to the "sweat shop" days..The major problem in this country is the importation of Chinese products which have gutted our manufacturing infrastructure....Short term profit....greed....screw the worker....
Spoken like a true union guy lol. Unions are great (for making companies bankrupt lmao)
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:33 AM
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Oki, time to move this to the politics section...lol
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:38 AM
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If this car would have been built here in the US, it would have cost three times more than the orginal selling price of the XFire. Sorry but IMHO Unions had their hay day way back when and have since priced themselves out of the world job market.
I apologize if this offends any of the Brotherhood who maybe reading this.
Who is interested in a $150,000 base model crossfire that is 90% less reliable lol?
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stogey
If this car would have been built here in the US, it would have cost three times more than the orginal selling price of the XFire. Sorry but IMHO Unions had their hay day way back when and have since priced themselves out of the world job market.
I apologize if this offends any of the Brotherhood who maybe reading this.
As a former UAW employee, I sadly agree. In 1979, I was making $27,000/year plus great benefits plus options plus bonuses. At the age of 19. Gas crunch cometh and Dana shuts down the plant because UAW wouldn't budge on the contract.

'Nuff said?
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Stogey
If this car would have been built here in the US, it would have cost three times more than the orginal selling price of the XFire
And would probably be three time less reliable.
 
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Old 11-19-2008 | 11:42 AM
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I saw something the other night on TV with the Crossfire and Capitol Hill and the carmakers. It had more to do with the fact the car didn't sell than the fact it was made outside the US. Probably just a different twist on what you saw klamathpro. The Crossfire is a perfect example of how to NOT market a car. Isn't it a bit odd that you still get heads turned by this car but they couldn't sell them? That almost says to me Chrysler went out of their way to not sell them. Glad I got mine, its still the finest car I've ever owned.
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