RUF is an auto manufacturer, at least that's how they are legally considered in Germany. Of course they do sell so individual parts that you can also buy and add some bits here and there. But it's really the same exact thing I am talking about. RUF doesn't build race cars, they build street legal performance automobiles. I visited their factory in Germany two years ago and spoke with someone on this exact topic. So even their cars are built to run on pump gas. The bottom line is that the cars need to be modded so that the average person can run it fairly reliably and easily. I envision a solution to the naturally aspirate XF to take the exact same form and have the exact same quality as VF engineering (www.vf-engineering.com) does for VW/Audi, Porsche, and BMW cars. Call up a tuner, tell them I want a stg 1 or beyond kit, and they send me what I need. For most people, this will be a great way to address additional power needs. The problem is finding the right company to make this happen.

You certainly have a point there. But the problem with building a monster kit, as you called it (which I'm guessing is what 12+ psi), is that it takes LOTS of R&D and LOTS of new parts compared with a lower boost kit. There is also a very important missing piece to your arguement. You have no clue what an 8psi, for example, turbo will do to the output of NA crossfire. Turbo's are much more efficient ways of generating power than a blower. The most efficient blowers are centrifugal, which themselves, are basically belt driven turbos. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a low boost setup until there is any reason to. And for me personally, aside from the motor, I don't particularly like the SRT6 XF. I hate the automatic, I don't like the goofy spoiler, and I hate the wheels. Aside from changing the wheels, I'm not very keen on doing exterior mods to a car. The plain XF with the 6-speed, is perfect. Except the engine could use a bit more power. I think a lot of people are content with the plain crossfire and really just want a bit more juice from the motor. I;m not sure about this, but is insurance more on the SRT6 than it is on the plain crossfire?

That sounds great! As you can tell I love arguing about cars! I;m in Philadelphia, so if a bunch of us in the Philly-Baltimore-DC area want to meet in say, Baltimore and discuss the specifics over beers (etc) I'd be down for that! :-)



I'm definitely new to the crossfire community, so I don't know what sort of aftermarket boost options people are running. But I will say that I wasn;t all that impressed with what I read about on Chuck Norris's thread. I wouldn't leave the garage on a homemade FI project without a wideband O2 sensor to see exactly how I was doing and if I was severely damaging the car. It seemed like this was a secondary concern for him. It's for this reason, why I would rather spend more money and buy something from a known and trusted source in the crossfire/benz community, even if I had to spend a couple grand more. I've spent some time tinkering and frankly, I don't enjoy it. I'm a driver, not a mechanic. Create, test, and sell me a reliable kit, at a reasonable price, and I'd be fully on board. I;m very leery when people talk about homemade kits unless the person does this sort of work for a real job and is taking on a side project or they are some type of mechanical engineer by trade during the day. I always try to avoid the cheapest way of doing things, whenever possible. There's also quite a bit of difference between turbo and s/c, so it would be nice to see someone adapt a turbo to the XF.

 

why hansn't anybody contacted the STS turbo people? I've been on their website and it looks really solid and there are literally dozens of videos on Youtube of people running their systems successfully. And they are CHEAP!!! Stage 1 is only 2K and thats a 100 hp increase minimum!!!
http://www.ststurbo.com/home

 

Yeah, if I were to go turbo on an N/A crossfire, I would go the STS route as well......

 

I told them the same thing a few posts back.

My friend is a dealer and I may be able to get you a cheaper price if you want to pm me.

 

I think that is what Montana Crossfire was talking about. Some form of rear mounted turbo kit... But I guess they were doing something different and ran out of money??

I thought I heard of someone running the STS kit on a NA Crossfire...

 

Here is my friends sts car, I took this vid last week when we hit up the dyno:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5KKhZBx0M[/media]

Again, I may be able to get you guys a discount if you want to PM me.

 

PM and questions sent.

 

The STS appears to be the simpleist and most cost effective, bang for the buck, system talked about here. With a rear mounted turbo, what is the spool up time lag?

I'm not looking to street drag, just have more power available after coming out of turns. Since my RPMs are already high, perhaps this would not be an issue. But with the electronic throttle delay, I don't want to add a turbo spoolup lag

For motor cross, this might be a good, effective way to boost power for my NA. Nitros is not.


roadster with a stick

 

Here you guys go, he is a sponsor on my website and is a really nice guy.

http://www.wvstreets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28556

He should be able to answer any questions you may have. His email and phone # are in his signature line.

He may be at the MIR track day on the 15th.

 

I thought about STS... I figured it would be the easiest way, since that is what they specialize in.

photoman: Do you know how much modification is required for their Universal set up with our cars? Besides, injectors, tuning, etc. I mean the actual mounting of the kit.

 

the universal kit is pretty straightforward from what I can see, you can email my friend and he can get you some details. tell him mrphotoman sent you


MountainThunderPerformance@Gmail.COM

 

I did my own rear mount turbo setup on one of my Camaros and turbo lag IS NOT an issue. I'm into full boost by 2200rpm. Not really a difficult project. Did it for less than a grand easy.

 

Anyone wana post Hp Gains? im very interested in buying this. if its at least 60 + hp gains im down. he said hes only put it on one crossfire but it worked out great.

 

I'd love to see a video of it. Not for credibility... I just want to see a (twin) turboed Crossfire!

 

At the Dragon i was seldom under 4,000 rpm so it sounds like no problem.

thanks


roadster with a stick

 

Race an srt-6 and beat it, make a movie. id buy it :]

 

Sorry but not even close!
STS does advertise and sell a basic cheap kit for as you said about 2 grand. Problem is...
They are basicly short kits. You need Tubing and LOTS of it. To achieve best out come you need coated tubes. For the kind of power we were after you need Injectors. Oil pumps, and some alterations just to make it fit. Over 90% of the turbos they sell go on Corvettes. Not only because they have a calling for them, but being that everyone and there brother has driven a Corvette they have more than enough doner cars to practice on. For the tune alone we may and I say may have needed up to an additional 5 grand at the time.

 

and as previously noted...when you go to sell that car, you won't get near as much as you have in it.

 

^^^Why would you care about that? We all know cars are money pits not investments. I personally keep cars a minimum of 5 to 10 years. If you're a flipper then I guess you shouldn't be modding our cars anyway. I don't buy cars to think about when I sell them. I buy them to enjoy the hell out of them. This is an exorcise n folly. Just my opinion

 

I do not know of any universal kits that include custom bent tubing for specific cars. The key word is universal in the universal kit lol.