No wonder it made that awful grinding noise when I pushed it down to pass.

 

Allow me to define the "phenomenon"....A standard crossfire is a decent race for a new toyota camry with a V-6....an SRT/6 is good race for a C6 corvette. On top of that if you spend 1500 bucks on pulley's/intake/tune you get a car capable of low 12 or high 11 second quarter miles with trap speeds that vary between 112-117 mph. That combo puts you into a category of mostly exotic cars which include ferrari/lambo/porsche etc.


BTW if you think you cuda was fast I would love to show you the blur my srt would give it....

 

And, therein lies the "hallowed halls" reference..........

BTW, we get it. We really do. We also own/drive Crossfires and understand the difference.

 

Hey Hey, your preaching to the choir here. Don't get your slap stick tranny in a snit.

My Cuda was fast for it's time. But my lowly Roadster Limited could take it easy. Damm Cuda was like any other muscle car of that era. Smoked tires in a heartbeat, car caught up a few seconds later and don't try to to do any more than hold on and not hit anything.. Sucker was all over the road.

Definitly not a "sports car."


roadster with a stick

BTW If you can't beat a camry with a standard roadster, you might want to have something checked out. Yeah it could be the car.

 

The new toyota camry v-6 had 268HP and runs 0-60 in 6.1 with a 1/4 mile time of 14.6@97 mph.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...mry/index.html

The standard crossfire does 0-60 in 6.6 and runs the 1/4 in 15.0@92 mph.

A good driver in the camry should be able to put a few lenghts on the standard x-fire.

 

So, I take it you think you are unbeatable????

 

Franc, there you go again....since we are going back...I think I will make my SRT look like a limited and call it a "sleeper"....Doc

 

Once again a thread goes off on a completely different path than it was originally intended. But that's OK, I enjoy a good debate when ever it's concerning the Crossfire for sure.
When it comes to an NA Crossfires getting spanked by a lowly Camary in the 1/4 mile, (according to Road & Track magazine) the Camary wins with a 14.5 ET vs the best I've seen for the Crossfire at 14.7 sec.
On the same token, The best I've seen for a "STOCK" SRT6 in the magazine road tests is 13.3 sec. where a 2008 Z06 is runs 11.7.
All things are relative. By todays standards, sure a late 60's Muscle car would be considered slow. But when you compare a 1968 14 sec muscle car to a 1928 Model A, maybe it will put things into perspective.
The Limited and Base cars were given a "Bread and Butter" Mercedes engine comparable to a Road Runners 383, where an SRT is much more like a 426 street Hemi, only better.
Saying a Camary can beat a NA Crossfire isn't a bad reflection on the XF, but just says how far the family sedan has come. Besides, that's about he only thing it does better, except carry more people.
Nobody is knocking the SRT's, just some good natured razzing going on that's all. But when all is said and done, the only thing a SRT really does better than a NA Crossfire is out accelerate it by a country mile. And that's enough as far as I'm concerned.

 

I hang out with a group that runs in the 10's...I know i'm beatable I just wanted to enlighten franc on some of his posts.

 

I never said C6Z06? That car will beat just about anything with the exception of just a few cars. I'm not mocking the standard crossfire either...all i'm doing is defending the srt model. If franc has a lack of understanding about the srt model then I have no problem giving him a quick lesson on one.

 

We are all trying to tell you..........we get it...........you are faster, badder, meaner etc. etc. etc. We don't need a lesson. We have Crossfires too. Not SRTs....but we know the difference.

 

You're right, my mistake. A stock SRT and a Stock C6 are very comparable, absolutely.

By the way, The SRT6 needs no defending on this forum. Atleast not as far as I'm concerned.

 

I apreciate the thought. I don't mind being "enlightened." However, I would appreciate it if you young guys would show a little respect to those of us who worked in dark garages and back alleys with little more than a timing light and our ears as we tweaked carburator jets, point gaps and vacuum advance linkages to get performance. I was burning the rubber of my Kelly Springfields when you were just a thought in your daddys mind. Most of us back then got our mods out of a J.C. Whitney catalouge or our old indulging friend, down at the local machine shop.

Comparing my '69 Cuda to your SRT-6 is like comparing an F18 to a P-51 Mustang. Hardly fair yet both head turning performers who dominated their field.

No offense but your store bought, off the shelf, push and go fast pocket rocket doesn't earn you the right to put other fine vehicles, and the guys who built them up from common cars, down.

Chew on Vettes and Mustangs and other makes that want to challenge you but here, we are all proud of our crossfires. And we are proud of the history and heritage, that we were part of, that lead us to the decision to buy one. For the record, my SRT dream faded when it wasn't offered in a stick. But my decision to buy one of the finest examples of automotive evolution is one of which I am proud.

You can safely assume, this is true of just about everybody here.


roadster with a stick
and damm proud

 

Franc, I find it really funny how you and I both had 1969 Muscle cars way back when, and we both chose to buy them with Automatics.
But here we are nearly 40 years later, and neither one of us purchased an SRT because it didn't have a manual tranny.
Does that mean we are evolving?

 

Didn't get a stick back then cause I couldn't find one. Apparently there was a bigger market for guys who wanted to go fast but were too wimpy to develope shifting skills, than guys who wanted to participate in the process of moving iron very quickly over the pavement.

Used to have a sticker on my truck that said , "Real trucks have duallys with manual transmisions and say Cumins on the side." I suspect some guy with a "Powerstroke" was annoyed and took it off.

Yes, we are evolving. Into crabby old men.

Sorry....
roadster with a stick

What is important is that we evolved into Crossfire owners

 

I was simply responding to what I felt was a shot to the SRT crew. Just because I am half your age does not mean I cannot share my opinion on what I felt was low blow to the SRT/6. You also made reference to our ego's being hurt and I wanted to respond to that.

As far as being store bought and all that I can assure you all my mods on ALL my cars and motorcycles have been hands on with the exception of the ECU tune (i have even done a few write up's for this forum). I have had many fine cars and learned how to wrench when I turned 16 on a 1973 VW Superbeetle. I can recall having three buddys pick the car up from the rear bumper so I could slide the tranny out. Before my SRT I had a C5Z06 vette which I did a good amount of work on and before that I had an 04GTO that I put a cam in among other fun things.

Just because things were less convenient back in your day (screwing with points and whatnot) does not mean today's mechanics are any less of a mechanic. I never intended to disrespect you or your car but I can also tell you that I would never buy the xfire unless it had the AMG Blown motor in it. The regular 3.2 is a great motor but imho a car that looks as exotic as the xfire needs a motor to back it up otherwise you might as well rename it miata or mr2.

I often hear the argument that many have stayed away from the SRT cause it only comes with an auto....? It also has another 115 plus horse's and the auto that comes in this car can shift faster than most great stick shifters.

IMHO the difference between the SRT and regular crossfire is more than just power. If that's what you guys think that's great but I sure as well would hate to have a car look this good only to be beaten by cars like a camry, accord or godforbid a cobalt or neon.

To each his own...

SRT/6 Coupe

Autostick and faster

 

My Wife will 2nd. that.

I ordered my AMX with an automatic because I wanted to win races.....automatically.

I didn't buy a SRT because I'm through with Drag Racing, and enjoy the thrill of a driving a 6spd. Sports Car.

Oops, now we're going to head off into a different direction.

 

The "shot " was made in jest, much as we humble N/A owners take the jabs from you SRT guys.

Didn't mean to pick a fight but the little dustup earlier this week over the term "Sports Car" and the beating Silver Fox got today, had this old guy feelin' his oats.

Try not to point out that our N/A's are just pretty but, in your opinion, to wimpy to run with respect, and we will get along just fine.


roadster with a stick

 

AMX!!!

Now, you have my respect.

roadster with a stick

 

I consider this the Crossfire Forum and not a na Crossfire vs. SRT6 Forum.

Why does the Crossfire always have to be judged by racing terms.
They a just cool looking cars and the drive like they are on rails.
I think 15 seconds in a quarter mile is fast 11 seconds is even better but are the size of your ***** determined by how fast your car is.
Maybe it's just me but 3 or 4 seconds doesn't matter to me.
I will be on a track for the first time on Saturday (weather permitting) and it's just so I can go fast and not worry about a ticket.
It is an opportunity to spend time at a private event with some guys I know and other I recently met and thats the main reason I am going.
I will probably run 15 seconds and the others will run 11. I don't care.
Bigger ,better,faster whatever