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Old 12-10-2007 | 08:33 PM
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I was browsing used car ads while waiting for new tires to be mounted on my truck when I noticed that 2003 and 2004 Mustang GTs were selling for nearly 3000 more than 2004, 2005, and 2006 Crossfire Coupes with similar milage!! I couldn't believe that!! Mustangs are a dime a dozen, don't have Mercedes components, and are straight axle, unsophisticated musle cars. Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs and owned a brand new 2002 GT for a few years. This goes to show you how uninformed the public is.

On another, yet similar note, I'm willing to bet that the main reason people don't buy Crossfires is the fact that the badge says Chrysler. It's the same reason that women (and the men who buy for them) spend ridiculous sums of money on a certain brand of hand bag (the ones with big Cs all over them). Those particular hand bags are made in China! Many are made with canvas and thin leather. Not to mention they are blatant advertising devices for that company since their brand logo is plastered all over the darn things. The majority of Americans don't really care about what lies beneath a brand name, they only care about showing off and the bragging rights to do so. If you put a Mercedes logo or a BMW or Porche logo on our cars and sold them for 35-40k, they would fly off the lots. It's sad really about today's society; however, I can't really complain because I am a true enthusiast who laughs all day knowing what it sitting in my Garage and how much I spent on it. THANK YOU INGNORANT BRAND SNOBS!!

Phew, that was a nice rant!!

P.S. You know what is nice about Chrysler canceling the Xfire? You'll never have last year's design! They're all the same! A unique once in a lifetime car! In the case of the SRT, a one year only (basically), rare vehicle! Best 24 grand on a car I ever spent!!
 

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Old 12-11-2007 | 08:48 AM
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yep I agree
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 08:55 AM
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I agree with both of you.
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 10:34 AM
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cgocifer good rant!

I can't can't speak of the pre 2005 Mustangs, but being an owner of a new 2007 PP Mustang (I bought it for my wife for our 23rd anniversary) is definitely a fun car. The stock V6 Mustang is pretty comparable to our Crossfire in HP and torque, but they can definitely be built way beyond ours for a minimal amount of coin. The fit and finish is about the same, the paint appears stronger but the leather seats are not the quality of those in the Crossfire-they feel fake. The Mustang is not inexpensive either the MSRP on ours was $24K and didn't have the following options which are available: TC, Auto Alarm, Home Link, or Auto Dimming Mirror. Had we got a car with those options it would have been near $27K close to what I paid ($29K) for my Crossfire when I bought it new in April of 2004.

I like driving the Mustang but I still love my Crossfire; it definitely handles better and gets better gas mileage. I routinely take my Crossfire over 120 mph but I doubt I will be doing too much of that with the Mustang since it feels like it has a much larger drag coefficient and I am not sure how it would handle if hit with a high side draft; probably nothing but I would sure mess up the interior if the car unintentionally changed lanes at that speed.

Okay I have had my turn on the soap box ... next!
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 10:53 AM
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Very few people buy cars for their mechanical design features. If you don't believe it look at the ads - guys with one arm around a babe roaring down the road! Or colors or cupholders or seat material, etc. Most don't discuss G's, times, power curves, blowers and all that good stuff. In this country, people want images not performance. If the performance will improve the image, then they want performance.

One of the reasons I like this site is because there is a core of people here who care about the design, mechanics and performance. Still, a lot here are primarily interested in the image but that is OK. It is there money and they can do what they please. Personally, I want something that performs straight and in the twisities.

Unless I wreck this damn thing (a possibility I guess) I plan on having it around a very long time. I have never seen anything so well design for the road yet affordable. In a lifetime, you don't see this happen often.
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cgocifer
P.S. You know what is nice about Chrysler canceling the Xfire? You'll never have last year's design! They're all the same! A unique once in a lifetime car! In the case of the SRT, a one year only (basically), rare vehicle! Best 24 grand on a car I ever spent!!
I couldn't agree more... Go Crossfire!
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 01:18 PM
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I agree with post 2
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 02:52 PM
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The difference between the Mustangs and Crossfires is the xfires have taken their depreciation hit while the stangs have just started. Over time, xfires will hold their value while stangs continue to fall.
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cgocifer
I was browsing used car ads while waiting for new tires to be mounted on my truck when I noticed that 2003 and 2004 Mustang GTs were selling for nearly 3000 more than 2004, 2005, and 2006 Crossfire Coupes with similar milage!! I couldn't believe that!! Mustangs are a dime a dozen, don't have Mercedes components, and are straight axle, unsophisticated musle cars. Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs and owned a brand new 2002 GT for a few years. This goes to show you how uninformed the public is.

On another, yet similar note, I'm willing to bet that the main reason people don't buy Crossfires is the fact that the badge says Chrysler. It's the same reason that women (and the men who buy for them) spend ridiculous sums of money on a certain brand of hand bag (the ones with big Cs all over them). Those particular hand bags are made in China! Many are made with canvas and thin leather. Not to mention they are blatant advertising devices for that company since their brand logo is plastered all over the darn things. The majority of Americans don't really care about what lies beneath a brand name, they only care about showing off and the bragging rights to do so. If you put a Mercedes logo or a BMW or Porche logo on our cars and sold them for 35-40k, they would fly off the lots. It's sad really about today's society; however, I can't really complain because I am a true enthusiast who laughs all day knowing what it sitting in my Garage and how much I spent on it. THANK YOU INGNORANT BRAND SNOBS!
Mustangs also have 2 extra seats and a 44 year following as Benz and Porsche also 50 years + so just pop those ugly DC emblems off and you have a custom design car that few people know what it is!
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT6 Dan
a custom design car that few people know what it is!
That's a good thing as far as I'm concerned!
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 04:53 PM
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People are morons, lets me contemplate another Xfire maybe. More for me, who gives a crap what they sell for. I like driving them
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 05:49 PM
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No need to hate, I would buy one of every sporty car in the world if I had the garage space, Mustangs and Crossfires included.

Maybe in the afterlife.
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by InfernoRedXfire
I agree with both of you.
Ditto, ditto, ditto, and did I say ditto?
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Idaho
cgocifer good rant!

I routinely take my Crossfire over 120 mph but I doubt I will be doing too much of that with the Mustang since it feels like it has a much larger drag coefficient and I am not sure how it would handle if hit with a high side draft; probably nothing but I would sure mess up the interior if the car unintentionally changed lanes at that speed.
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You don't have to worry about it, the speed limiter will cut in before you reach 120 mphI don't understand what Ford was thinking when they specified factory installed Z rated tires on a car that has a speed limiter set for a maximum of about 118 mph....indicated speed, most likely 5 mph over.
BTW I also own a 2006 Mustang PP...

 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 10:51 PM
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MI1XFIRE,

Thanks for the information, I didn't know the Mustang had a limiter that blows. Do you know whether it can be over-ridden with a programmer/tuner? We barely have over a 1K miles on the car so we are still breaking it in; I think I have only driven about 300 miles of that since it is my wife's car. It has the Sirius radio, leather seats and side curtain air bags; overall a pretty nice ride.

So far how have like your 206 PP, any problems to look out for? I have been lurking in about three Mustang forums but haven't seen any real issues. I have noticed that they are holding their price pretty good for a an American made car as cgocifer pointed out.
 
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Old 12-11-2007 | 10:54 PM
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People never fail to amaze me! Or more over their ignorance never fails to amaze me. Just tonight I was sitting in my car talking on the phone in a mall parking lot that was relatively empty. Now understand that I have dark window tint and the car was not running nor were the lights or key on, so there was no sign that I was in the car. I saw a group of middle aged people walking towards my car. Two Women and three Men. I was parked in a row with no other cars, so I was watching for where they were going as ther ewas nothing between me and the interstate besides grass and a barrier wall. Sure enought they walked up to the back on my car trying to figure out what it was. I could here them talking to each other. they walked around the back 3/4 of the car starring at it for a minute. They finally realized it was a Chrysler( I have the CROSSFIRE letters removed). They were talking about the fact that none of them had ever seen a Chryserl like that and didn't know Chrysler made a Sports Car and how beautiful it was. I never let them know I was in the car. I watched them leave after a couple of minutes and the walked back over and seperately got into an SL500 and a 745Li. Car Snobs that had never seen a Crossfire(read never paid attention to a Chrysler product) I think they were a little disapointed it turned out to a Chrysler. I'm sure they were expecting it to be something of a slightly more exotic Brand.
 
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Old 12-12-2007 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cgocifer
I was browsing used car ads while waiting for new tires to be mounted on my truck when I noticed that 2003 and 2004 Mustang GTs were selling for nearly 3000 more than 2004, 2005, and 2006 Crossfire Coupes with similar milage!! I couldn't believe that!! Mustangs are a dime a dozen, don't have Mercedes components, and are straight axle, unsophisticated musle cars. Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs and owned a brand new 2002 GT for a few years. This goes to show you how uninformed the public is.
Why is that so hard to believe? The GT is faster in every single form of motorsports possible than a Crossfire. The fit and finish is the same (the GT may even be better). Standard options is just about the only place where the Crossfire shines over the GT. I can't even get someone who's interested in my 04 Crossfire for $13k, that should tell you something.
 
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Old 12-12-2007 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BltByKrmn
Why is that so hard to believe? The GT is faster in every single form of motorsports possible than a Crossfire. The fit and finish is the same (the GT may even be better). Standard options is just about the only place where the Crossfire shines over the GT. I can't even get someone who's interested in my 04 Crossfire for $13k, that should tell you something.
Well, the Mustang name has been known by the public since 1964. That's 43 years. It's been used in countless movies.

The Crossfire has been known by the public since 2003. That's 4 years. I think it's been in a cable TV show.

The value of something rarely has to do with how much it's "really worth". Hopefully you can still keep and love your Crossfire!
 
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Old 12-12-2007 | 08:58 AM
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It shocks me because American cars, especially one that is known to be an economy sporty car like the Mustang (that has been it's intent since it was first designed), usually don't hold their resale value. I know, because I had one! Mustangs don't really hold their value that well compared to other cars, but the Xfire is one of the worst out there! Again, it shocked me because I expected the Xfire to do at least better than the mustang. It is a Mercedes for goodness sake. It just proves to me that people only really care about the badge. As for the Mustang, I love Mustangs, always have. Ford is the only American brand I would consider buying right now. They use good materials, the fit and finish is excellent, and they are very reliable. I recently drove the new Chrysler Sebring when the Xfire was in the shop. That thing was noisy, the plastics inside were hard, the plastic edges were sharp enough to cut, and everything felt el-cheapo! I also drove a new Ford Taurus. It was 100 times better. The interior used soft-touch plastics, nice chrome accents, the leather was good, the buttons felt solid, the engine was smooth and quiet, and the piano black trim was outstanding. It was a nice car! The new Mustangs are similarly nice.

The GT is faster than a std. Xfire, but will get blown away by a SRT6. Oh, they cost the same now. Actually, the GTs are more!
 
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Old 12-12-2007 | 09:02 AM
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I think you're puting too much faith in the build quality of recent Mercedes. While the general public may be clueless and subject to badge whoring, the rest of us car guys know the disaster Mercedes calls electronic engineering.
 


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