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Old 12-23-2015 | 09:18 AM
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NSG370 transmission has anyone discovered a fix for this transmissions chronic shift problem from first geer to second geer. I have read numerous post both on the Crossfire and Jeep Wrangled. I have read that synthetic alternatives to the factory Mopar-branded conventional lubricant have been tried with little to no improvement. I also found a service bulletin (21-001-05) pertaining to 2004-2005 model year stating improper lubrication of transmission spline shaft. I have a 2006 with 46 K miles with this annoying problem of difficult shifting from first to second especially bad when cold. I have changed factory lubrication to Mopar spec lubricant with no improvement. I then changed to Royal Purple syntech that gives minimal improvement when warm but no improvement when cold. My question: has anyone found a fix to this problem? I love the car but this surely makes it less fun to drive. Thanks
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 12:02 PM
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The 1-2 crunchy shift is part of the tranny's design, particularly when cold. After much experimentation, I had great results with Amsoil.
Take a look at this thread:
Crossfire Manual Trans Fluid | ATF, Differential, Trans, Brakes, P/S | Bob Is The Oil Guy
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 12:46 PM
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Amsoil ATF or MTF?
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 01:07 PM
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It's the nature of the beast. Once you drive it more you don't notice quite as much. People here use Mobile 1 engine oil also.
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 01:57 PM
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BTW be aware that the max input torque for the 6-speed is 270 lb-ft. I suspect this is why it is not available in the SRT.

Also I supect part of the 1-2 issue is the ginormous gap between the gears, Going from a 4.46 to a 2.61 is over a 60% drop. In comparison 2-3 and 3-4 is less than a 30% drop. To really sing 1st need to be more like a 3.31. Of course unless creeping or uphill I usually start in 2nd. Will be interesting to see what change the 2.87 makes.
 

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Old 12-23-2015 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Padgett
BTW be aware that the max input torque for the 6-speed is 270 lb-ft. I suspect this is why it is not available in the SRT.

Also I supect part of the 1-2 issue is the ginormous gap between the gears, Going from a 4.46 to a 2.61 is over a 60% drop. In comparison 2-3 and 3-4 is less than a 30% drop. To really sing 1st need to be more like a 3.31. Of course unless creeping or uphill I usually start in 2nd. Will be interesting to see what change the 2.87 makes.
Well don't tell Josh his V-8 swap should have a trashed tranny by now.. Pretty sure the torque exceeds the value you posted.
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 03:33 PM
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Well his isn't warrented for 50,000 miles...

In general the rated max is anywhere from 50-75% of design.

And then you have Harley - since 1917 any time something broke they made it bigger. I have seen smaller gears in a Muncie.
 
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Old 12-23-2015 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gualtira
Amsoil ATF or MTF?
I used the MTF.
 
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Old 12-28-2015 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by harbor
The 1-2 crunchy shift is part of the tranny's design, particularly when cold. After much experimentation, I had great results with Amsoil.
Take a look at this thread:
Crossfire Manual Trans Fluid | ATF, Differential, Trans, Brakes, P/S | Bob Is The Oil Guy


Quick update - Changed the tranny fluid today to Amsoil 5W-30 MTL Synchromesh with very good results. 1st / 2nd gear shifts are improved, and all gear changes seem crisper. (Although I'm sure there's a little placebo effect going on).
Think that this is as good as this MB tranny will get, and will check back in if anything changes.
Again, I appreciate all of your input on this topic.

That's good enough for me!
 
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Old 04-15-2016 | 07:55 AM
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Any update? Did the Amsoil do the trick or was the placebo effect going on?
Thanks
 
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Old 04-16-2016 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gualtira
Any update? Did the Amsoil do the trick or was the placebo effect going on?
Thanks
Only driven the car a couple times since taking it out of storage, but would say there's a marginal, not vast, improvement with the Amsoil vs. motor oil. Cold shifting (mid-50's F) is still stiff for a few minutes, but no 1st -2nd gear crunch.
I think this is as good as it's going to get with this trans. As others have stated, it shifts better at high revs.

I'll be in Dayton mid-June for a road rally, so PM/email me if you want to sched a mutually convenient time to drive my car and draw your own conclusions. Will be at Wright-Patt museum 6/15, which should be close to you.
 
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